Crime & Punishment

As a known supporter of the New Order of High-Sec and diplomat for the CODE alliance, allow me to provide some clarity.

Here is the most simple, less "wordy" and not subject to "tl;dr" syndrome I can provide:

Do you have a proper permit sold to you by a agent of the New Order, and is that permit proudly displayed in your characters bio? If so, you get every benefit of the doubt. If there is a single target in the system that is not you, my fleet will target them first. I assume you are following the CODE - letter for letter.

Failing that - I might say hello to you in local and give you a o/ and a :) - do you respond? I understand it might take some time. No response for 10 seconds? No worries! 30 seconds? Maybe you don't type that fast! 60 seconds? I'm starting to worry about you, but I will still do nothing. 90 seconds? You are probably AFK? 120 seconds? A fleet is in warp to destroy you.

It's simple. Purchase a permit, display that permit and support for the savior of highsec, the holy James 315 in that bio, and don't AFK in space.

Now, let's talk about the top 3 things that people get confused about, and try to clear them up.

#1) "You shot me, and I never got any warning!" - Yes, but you did not have a proper mining permit displayed in your bio. No permit = none of the rules apply to you. You are a free target, and I don't give you a friendly "warning". After you explode, however, I will give you a friendly mail that will show you how to purchase a permit.

#2) "You shot me, but I have a permit!" - Yes, but you did not respond to multiple chances to show you were at the keyboard - OR - you did not even bother to display the permit in your bio. If you can't watch local or show your support in your bio, you might as well not even hold a permit.

#3) "You shot me, but I have a permit and support for James 315 in my bio AND responded to your conversation!" - Never heard this one. Ever. If anyone can ever provide a CREST verified killmail that lines up with un-edited chat logs verified by multiple sources that prove this wild theory - I will replace the value of your ship and/or escape pod. The "Anti-Gankers" will try to tell you we target our beloved permit holders all the time - I will not even dignify their wild conspiracy theories by trying to deny it, I just ask you, citizen of EVE - ask them for proof. Proof beyond reasonable doubt. They will fail. Every. Single. Time. Use your own mind, talk to us, talk to others, figure it out for yourself.

I hope this clears up any confusion you may have about the need to display a proper permit while operating in New Order sov space (also known as "high-sec") and if I can offer you any more help, please feel free to contact me via Eve-Mail or in game convo. The New Order diplomacy department is always open and ready to assist you.

This is my New Order Agent alt and I have a question.. How can I identify people with a fake permit? It seems rather simple for anyone to simply add a line with the permit and another supporting James 315, even if they haven't bought a permit.

Heres something for the OP to ponder over while he makes his decision.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3350702#post3350702
True colors tend to shine through as they say.

The Boss and I have a "daughter company" that mines. We get each new member Code-compliant as soon as they join the corp. Our Orca booster and haulers are all Code-compliant as well. We've never had any trouble when Code comes into a system our miners are using. They tell me, however, that it's a right good laugh when Code shows up during an ice spawn and everybody else runs, docks, and boo-hoo's in local while our guys get all the ice to themselves.

Admittedly, none of us really get into the whole roleplaying thing Code does, bet let them have their fun,. I say. Besides, Code is good for the economy. They combat bot-mining, and they blow stuff up, removing materials from the game that have to be replaced.

Som ppl act like theyre being ripped off by Code. Love em or hate em, a lousy 10M isk is worth preventing the headaches and downtime, is it not?

So, remember next time you have to drop what youre doing and go sit in station for God knows how long, that you couldda paid a whoppin 10M isk to not have to worry about that ever again.

There's stubborn, and then there's stupid. Just sayin'

Ask DJ O if you suspect a fake permit, he has the list.

I generally give them the benefit of the doubt as I'm far too lazy to check.

Except that a permit holder upon seeing an agent enter system should have nothing to fear. They should greet the agent and go about their business while watching for non-new order agents.

That is interesting, I've heard many agents explain permit compliance in this same way.
Others though, including one rather well known agent who used to police the Gamis system and is now running with the conference of "elites", has refuted this claim. Only recently I had a conversation with said agent where he stated that a permit in bio was the only evidence of compliance neccessary.

I'm not 'official' CODE but my criteria for ganking when I was active was this: can I gank the target with my 2 gank alts?

If you are caught with your pants down by just two catalysts you obviously aren't Code compliant and your permit should have been revoked anyway, so in that sence I've always operated within the Code myself.

Many permit holders that get ganked make the mistake of thinking it's a license to do whatever they want, it isn't, it's just one small part of being Code compliant. It's not an excuse to be AFK-mining in your untanked hulk with cargo expanders...

I'm of the same mind as yourself. Though if I were to spot an obvious code violator with a permit, I'd try to convo him, maybe he's looking at the market or something, if the convo failed I'd shoot him for sure.
That being said, I focus on non-permit holders.

Confirming that CCP should have dispatched men with guns to our homes to make sure were were playing a video game at the exact time you expected us to be playing a video game.