EVE General Discussion

Yea, nobody uses heavies in pvp over sentries. Sentamon is talking rubbish.

nerf drones and gallente are extremely useless

I'm sure you already know, but to clarify.

- Instant damage projection over long range with sentries
- Able to switch easily to face small, medium, large targets for optimal damage application.
- Highly resistant (effectively immune) to Ewar.
- BS levels of DPS possible on sub battleship class ships.
- Frigate levels of damage application possible of a battleship.
- Weapon uses no high slots so you can fit a full rack of remote reps / nuets.

Drawback

- Weapons system can be destroyed (although good luck with most drone ships housing 3 more flights, so by the time you've destroyed and targeted them all you will be dead)

Except for one of the most prominent battleship fleet compositions in the game right now

(also known as the only battleship fleet comp)

Nah! He just happy to see you

FAKE EDIT: My sincerest apologies for my juvenile attempt at humour. I am at work at 7pm on a Friday night and I still have an hour to go

FOTM and alliance tourney meta are not infallible indicators of something being out of balance.




Turrets have instant damage projection at long range. This leaves all of one primary weapon system that does not. Also, sentries are one type of drone, so this doesn't apply to drones in general.

Your second point and supposed drawback counter contradict each other. You can't have 3 flights of sentries, AND full flights of lights and mediums.

Frigate levels of damage application. Because only drone boats can use light drones?

Weapon uses no high slots, because it can be destroyed. Bombs, smart bombs, and just plain good pilots render drones pretty useless. A domi with a full rack of remote reps or neuts is still limited to a 6-10km range, and has extremely limited cap. Complain about a cap chain? Suck it up, if they're playing properly as a team they should be doing well. And they're still stuck right next to each other, and are great bomb fodder.

lol, so many people saying "AT is not TQ" etc.

Anyone care to explain why the popularity of drones in the AT is due to AT mechanics (that don't apply to TQ)?



This. To add a few off the top of my head:
- Damage type selection
- Utility drones (jam to get out when you're losing a fight, without the usual tank/dps drawbacks of mid slot utils or low slot stabs)
- Can use semi-afk (gate camps, POS sieges, ratting, etc.)
- Don't require ammo/cap
- Huge range compared to other weapon systems even for small drones

...have every 9 fleet members fit warp core stabs and just assign your drones to one guy instead loaded with sebos... how is that not broken? It's not even necessarily obvious who has all the drones assigned to them. It doesn't take a genius to see that drone mechanics are imbalanced risk/reward etc.

As Medalyn mentioned destroying drones is often not viable - if anything drone damage should come at a trade off of drone HP or something. Fly a gnosis though and you'll see what a more balanced drone ship is like (you can actually run out of drones due to the small drone bay, and you can't carry a variety of drones either, and that's on a BC).

TBH though the entire kite meta is OP. Brawling setups are rare in PvP now for a reason - they are underpowered and too niche in comparison. The tiny amount of DPS gain (which you can lose anyway if you spend more time getting in range, provided you can even get in range) and alpha/range loss simply isn't worth it. Among other things. Even in the AT closed arena (which should be a nerf to kite setups) rarely see brawling doctrines used.

Also drones are just boring atm (which is likely a side effect of them being too easy and OP, common, etc.). I'd be willing to bet that most of those who say drones are ok as-is are just chronic drone users.

This is a very scary type of AFK cloaker. Just think about what those drones could do while the player is AFK... CCP needs to look into this now!

For the record, it wasn't that long ago that people were complaining about drones being too weak. In fact, there was a period here on the forums where they were being complained about for simultaneously being too weak and too strong. As a regular and experienced drone user with more than just 0 kills to 23 losses on his killboard, I'm prepared to admit that they're incredibly versatile compared to other weapons systems.

Too strong? No. My drones outright refuse to carry my luggage for me when we get home. They're too lazy to be too strong.

Too weak? I asked one of my Hobgoblin's, Dasher (I name them after reindeer), in the Skylark's (that's what I call my favourite Ishkur fit) drone bay if it was feeling a bit weak after a close call just the other day. He immediately jumped up and took off, telling me he was running away from home to prove himself by taking down Goonswarm all by himself. On the way to nul, he said, he'd be single-handedly removing Concord from highsec.

That kind of bravery is not weakness.

EDT: I actually have some serious arguments for this, but it's nothing that hasn't been said before, either on this thread or elsewhere. Drones are fine.

Yeah I was just thinking how back in 2010-2011 it was Drakes Drakes Drakes and at least once a week a thread that summed up to "CCP why you no like Gallente".

Gallente ships were a joke back then with the Mega being for the most part a gank boat and the domi was for neutral RR in cases of highsec agro fu.

A Gallente ship fought like this:

- get jammed damped and disrupted.
- not have FOF missiles (as lame as they are) so you had nothing
- get webbed and scrammed to a slow crawl that would make TiDi look like fast forward while trying to get within range
- watch the enemy tank your drones while they sniped you (and even the tackler could tank them)


So some improvements were made, and now look at the complaints.