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Chad Ramsbottom
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2014-09-05 21:20:14 UTC
Ray Zyrus wrote:
so i know that there sights that are called plexes but aside from that i have no further knowledge about where they are come from.
I just buy them in the market and redeem them.


mfw your bottom
Cidanel Afuran
Grant Village
#42 - 2014-09-05 22:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cidanel Afuran
Jenn aSide wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
Cidanel Afuran wrote:
If you can't afford $12/mo for a hobby you most likely play dozens of hours/week, maybe you should spend less time flying spaceships and more time looking for a better job IRL...

Money is real and finite. ISK is fake and infinite.


Wrong. Time is real and finite. If you spend an hour IRL 'grinding' out money, you can make enough to buy a plex faster than you ever can in-game. If making enough ISK to plex an account is costing you more time than making dollars to buy a plex, you are doing it wrong.

To say it again, if $12/mo (a few cents/hour to most of us) is too expensive for you, you might want to stop playing video games for a bit.


That's the same old nonsense it always is. Nothing wrong with paying a sub but working a job to do it instead of being at home playing a video game drunk for a bit longer to do the same thing is what's doing it wrong.


Of course there is nothing wrong with grinding in game to get your plex. It is flat out wrong to say "ISK is infinite". I personally enjoy my job. If it comes down to mindlessly grinding that last 100m ISK to make plex, or working an extra 30 minutes on the job, I will work the extra 30 min. every time.

$12/mo doesn't bother me. I spend $10/day on lunch... It doesn't occur to me to think about plexing. I can't imagine someone getting upset over such a small amount of money. All that being said, obviously to each his own.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#43 - 2014-09-05 22:22:22 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

It's easier now to make crazy isk with a pve fit ship now than it was before Dominion (when belt ratting was a thing). The obvious result of making it easier for people to acquire wealth is rising prices for things people want like PLEX. The addition of all the exploitable wealth faucets for me was going from 1 account paid for with cash to easily plexing the 4 I have now (ie using someone esle's cash).

This is probably the correct answer. Plex are worth what people are willing to pay for them. If more people have more wealth, odds are they'll all be willing to pay for the slightly more expensive plex, and price goes up.
Erufen Rito
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-09-05 23:06:06 UTC
Just wait till you find out when the plexes actually started at around 240m.

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Bapfl
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-09-05 23:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bapfl
baltec1 wrote:
Ray Zyrus wrote:
Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?



Supply and demand.


Not really because:
1) CCP can buy PLEX off the in-game-market for nothing. (to raise prizes)
2) CPP can spawn new PLEX in-game for nothing. (to lower prizes)
3) RMT is not part of the EULA. (so no way for players to counteract)
Gavin Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-09-05 23:45:41 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Because CCP added new features that uatlize plex, as people use more plex the demand goes up, so the suppliers charge more as there is more demand then supply.
Econ 101.


This simply isn't true. The demand for PLEX has not increased, which you can see if you look at the market history. In fact, it has gone down. So this means that supply must be going down as well (e.g. people buy PLEX with RL money and sit on it or just don't feel the need to buy it, perhaps lost subs more-so of the type of player who would buy plex to sell in the past, etc.). Could be that it's easier to make ISK in-game, things are cheaper (look at faction ships like the mach, deadspace modules, etc.), people use more bots, etc. etc.
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#47 - 2014-09-05 23:55:08 UTC
Screw plex prices. I wanna know what moron or group of morons is ruining the celadon cytoserocin market. Evil

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-09-06 02:49:50 UTC
Bapfl wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Ray Zyrus wrote:
Can anyone explain to me how or why the PLEX prices get so rediculous?



Supply and demand.


Not really because:
1) CCP can buy PLEX off the in-game-market for nothing. (to raise prizes)
2) CPP can spawn new PLEX in-game for nothing. (to lower prizes)
3) RMT is not part of the EULA. (so no way for players to counteract)


Did you really just intentionally say all that?

You. Yes, you, I'm talking to you, and that frumpy Razor guy below you.

Supply and demand is exactly why the prices of PLEX have increased and are in the process of mostly stabilising around 750-800mil. Razor guy apparently knows how to view market history so a quick trip through a few different regions and some basic analysis would show you the stabilising trend. And yes, the reason it's gone up is due to the increase in demand due to the new ways in which PLEX can be used: notable, multiple character training, AURUM for the NES, etc.

I personally trade a lot of PLEX, both buying and selling, but mostly selling. I would LOVE if prices went higher than they are now. Alas, they aren't likely to anytime soon. They will continue to fluctuate in the narrow band I defined above, maybe even for a few months yet, but provided there are no further changes to PLEX, the price will probably stabilise and may even drop back to 700M in due time.

Meanwhile, I sub a single account in this game and have the time of my life in it. I think what people are really complaining about is how much effort they've created for themselves by turning EVE into a second job. It's sad to think of what they're doing to themselves, these online demi-deities of the stars, slaving away like common Minmatars....

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#49 - 2014-09-06 02:57:59 UTC
Has anyone Grrrrr'd the player driven economy yet?


if not:


Grrrrrrrrr Player-driven economy!!!!!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2014-09-06 03:00:04 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Has anyone Grrrrr'd the player driven economy yet?


if not:


Grrrrrrrrr Player-driven economy!!!!!

Somehow blame goons

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#51 - 2014-09-06 03:05:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Somehow blame goons


Blaming and therefore Grrrrr-ing Goons is sooooo last week. I think we need some new entity to Grrrrrr.

I hear that Camel Empire is a thing now.. so...

Grrrrrrrr Camels!!!!!

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Rykuss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#52 - 2014-09-06 03:57:36 UTC
Cameron Freerunner wrote:
The prices are actually coming down since the implosion of blinky and friends.


What happened to Inky, Pinky, and Clyde?!

You, too, can be a Solid Gold dancer.
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#53 - 2014-09-06 04:02:56 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
It's sad to think of what they're doing to themselves, these online demi-deities of the stars, slaving away like common Minmatars....
Wow, this really puts into words how I feel about several segments of the playerbase.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#54 - 2014-09-06 11:32:15 UTC
The price of PLEX is ONLY 800m because scrubs don't know how much bounty isk is being printed by people in smartbomb battleships.

Hint: Each of my 1000dps gun toons makes 120m per hour in bounty.......imagine what they're making with 3 ships in a site doing effectively 4000dps each......yeah OMG 800m plex they can only buy one of those every 3 seconds.

Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you? Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#55 - 2014-09-06 18:43:01 UTC
The #1 Issue that keeps people raging seems to be the price of PLEX. I have spoken with a number of individuals who feel they have a RIGHT TO PLEX, which to me seems a bit irrational. PLEX were introduced as a BONUS, not as a subsistence tool. If anything the price of PLEX extending beyond the means of the sloth and incapable is a GOOD thing.


The Competitive market of EVE is a major draw for new players, and helps retain existing players through player generated intrigue and drama.


EVE's market is incredibly healthy and the ever increasing price of PLEX is evidence of this:

Healthy customers compete against one another for PLEX, competition drives innovation. innovation drives profits empowering the customer to pay more than their competitors for needed goods.


When the price of PLEX goes up, EVE is HEALTHY

When the price of PLEX goes down, EVE IS DYING.

I for one don't want to see EVE die anytime soon, we should all celebrate the spirit of competition and be proud to spend our ISK on PLEX.

Now with 100% less Troll.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#56 - 2014-09-06 18:48:44 UTC
PLEX doubles every time the difficulty of PVE halves.
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-09-06 19:28:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arronicus
Ray Zyrus wrote:

they started out at 430 million isk .


No, they started out in the 200s.

Tom Gerard wrote:
The #1 Issue that keeps people raging seems to be the price of PLEX. I have spoken with a number of individuals who feel they have a RIGHT TO PLEX, which to me seems a bit irrational.


Honestly, much of my generation (90s kids born in the mid to late 80s) and younger have such an entitlement complex it's ridiculous. I think it's most clear with music, where a large number I have talked to honestly believe that pirating music doesn't hurt anyone and they deserve to own it, even if the artist gets nothing as a result.

Plex is an investment commodity, where it has value because of its incredible usefulness, but its current rising value is based on price increase speculation, which just so happens to be proven ever since plex came out, there is just more and more wealthy people catching on. Sure, there is talk of there being a bubble that will collapse any time now, but yet the same thing has been said about the housing price market here in Vancouver for the past 30 years. Guess what, we're 2nd in the world (after Hong Kong) for house price in-affordability (San Francisco ranks third), and there aren't any real indicators that is about to change anytime soon, just like there are no real indicators that the plex bubble is going to pop and the price will crash.

Are ridiculous plex prices a good thing for the health of eve overall? Of course not. Eve is stockpiling game time, pre-buying it, where CCP is running based on false capital, and down the road when the price does crash, there's going to be a lot of game-time out there filling accounts instead of fresh income. High plex prices also drive away casual players who might play eve because they can 'play for free' where their actions result in someone else paying for them. Because the plex is actually consumed by the user, there isn't a bloat, so no false revenue.

What are high plex prices actually good for? Counter-RMT. Yes, I get the irony, right on the heels of Somer-Blink getting banned (Even though the main reasons for the ban were also illegal disclosure of private communications with CCP staff, and claiming to be CCP verified when not ), but the higher plex prices go, the less people will deal with isk-selling websites who struggle to keep ahead of plex-isk values, let alone being safe for the consumer (who can often have the isk revoked, and potentially a suspension on their account).
Ssabat Thraxx
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#58 - 2014-09-06 20:32:18 UTC
Im always somewhere between amused and aggravated every time this topic comes up. Here's the truth: PLEX IS NOT EXPENSIVE. It may cost more than it did when you bought your first one, maybe a lot more, but it's still not "expensive." At an average price right now of 775M isk, you're looking at having to put in a wopping 26M isk per day to pay for your plex. With the exception of the truly new players, 26M isk in a day is chicken scratch for pretty much everyone else. It's not this "omgiskgrind" that people complain about. If a player a few months old cant pick his nose and pull out 26M, I might be a little more worried.



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Vyl Vit
#59 - 2014-09-06 21:29:46 UTC
CCP IS - CCP is SINGULAR NOT PLURAL

rIdiculous - it gets an I not an E!

If you can't say what you mean, how can you mean what you say????

Oh, and, posting in yet another "PLEX PRICES? WTF???" thread.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#60 - 2014-09-06 21:31:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
As soon as you guys factor in INFLATION you might rethink your positions. Then again....prolly not.

INFLATION = what happens to your currency when it hangs out with overly-inflated egos.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.