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Thanks for your concern, but we're fine

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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#21 - 2014-09-04 18:09:28 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Experiment 32423 wrote:
According to your last point, you are reinforcing the point of population problems - something we both agree on.


Yes we do agree. My only reason for posting in this thread is to say that we, like the OP are "fine". IE we don't plan on giving up on WH life and move out. BUT that doesn't change the fact that this patch in my opinion has had an overall negative effect on WH space.


Is it the patch or they hundreds of pages of doom saying that have caused the negative effect that has yet to be documented?

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CivilWars
Half Empty
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#22 - 2014-09-04 18:51:55 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
CivilWars wrote:
dark dreamur wrote:
CivilWars:
I might have this wrong but didnt your corp quit WH space just befor the patch, If I'm right Im not sure how your qualified to poke the finger at other people voicing their concerns over the new patch.
If I've got it wrong Id like to be the first to welcome Triumvirate. allience to worm hole space.
PS loved your last match in the AT

You are quite correct that we left, but it was in no way related to Hyperion. Some of us decided that w-space, at least the things we enjoyed about it, were dead even before this patch. I have no problems with people voicing their concerns, however I do get much pleasure out of all of you screaming that the sky is falling.

I am not on the AT team, but we are all dang proud of them.


Wow, so you left because things you enjoyed about WH space were already going downhill. (which i would agree). This patch has only made things worse, not better. And yet people bringing that up are whining that the sky is falling.

Hypocritical much?

No, I don't blame CCP for w-space being good or bad. To me the game is fun because of WHAT I do, and WHO I do it with, not WHERE I do it. If you enjoy making isk shooting red crosses, and assuming the ROI or isk/hour is relative, does it matter if it is in high, low, null, or w-space? If you enjoy shooting reds, oranges, grays, and maybe even blues does it matter if you find those people to shoot in high, low, null, or w-space? As I have mentioned in other topics I enjoy people and PVP. I have found both of those items in both w-space, null, w-space again, and now null again. So, figure out what you enjoy doing, and then figure out where you can do that instead of trying to make a certain portion of space fit into the box you find fun. I can promise you it is much easier that way.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-09-04 18:55:42 UTC
calaretu wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Experiment 32423 wrote:
According to your last point, you are reinforcing the point of population problems - something we both agree on.


Yes we do agree. My only reason for posting in this thread is to say that we, like the OP are "fine". IE we don't plan on giving up on WH life and move out. BUT that doesn't change the fact that this patch in my opinion has had an overall negative effect on WH space.


Is it the patch or they hundreds of pages of doom saying that have caused the negative effect that has yet to be documented?


I would personally say a combination. There are those who fled early, and they are likely results from the pages of doom. Since the patch however I think some of it is a result of the changes. As I have said in other threads my roaming in the last week and a half has been even quieter than normal.

Bottom line is I think most of the patch hasn't been HORRIBLY damaging. But at the same time I don't see how any of the changes have had a net positive effect over simply not making any changes.

Honestly the most activity I have seen since the patch was you guys. And I was about to ask last night if you guys were moving out. I saw a bunch of ships leaving the POS and pods returning. Funny I didn't put 2 and 2 together at the time until the name hit me.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-09-04 19:05:19 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
No, I don't blame CCP


I do. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Historically the WH community has been fairly vocal that from a mechanics standpoint WH's were in a pretty decent spot. The only real complaint has been not wormholes but the POS system.

I would tend to agree. IMO CCP got it pretty much spot on when they created wormholes.

But then the changes happened. First with the discovery scanner, and it has felt like it has gone downhill since. Bottom line they are fiddling with things that weren't broken. And their changes, while not always making things horribly worse, certainly haven't been an improvement.

I'm a big fan of if it aint broke don't fix it.

Overall we aren't leaving WH space anytime soon. We will adjust to the changes. And I hope after things calm down, people will come and resettle the systems that were abandoned. Because like you I play this game how I enjoy it, with the people I enjoy to fly with. But as mechanics got WH space is where i enjoy it most. So I won't apologize when I feel the need to point out where CCP's fiddling is not helping.
Experiment 32423
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-09-04 19:10:02 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Experiment 32423 wrote:
According to your last point, you are reinforcing the point of population problems - something we both agree on.


Yes we do agree. My only reason for posting in this thread is to say that we, like the OP are "fine". IE we don't plan on giving up on WH life and move out. BUT that doesn't change the fact that this patch in my opinion has had an overall negative effect on WH space.


Neither have I, that won't stop me from providing potentially useful feedback to improve our quality of life in wormholes, though. That being said, I wouldn't blame certain entities for giving up on it given how we all have different goals and interests, out of which some have become significantly different.
ISD LackOfFaith
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ISD Alliance
#26 - 2014-09-04 19:53:05 UTC
Time for a spot of cleanup. Temp locked.

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Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#27 - 2014-09-04 19:53:10 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
To me the game is fun because of WHAT I do, and WHO I do it with, not WHERE I do it. If you enjoy making isk shooting red crosses, and assuming the ROI or isk/hour is relative, does it matter if it is in high, low, null, or w-space? If you enjoy shooting reds, oranges, grays, and maybe even blues does it matter if you find those people to shoot in high, low, null, or w-space? .

Yes it matters. If you like shooting red crosses in a small group with dreads and triage you will not have much fun doing it in catch. If you like non-blob-capitalusage in PvP you won´t do it in Ammamake. If you like stalking a victim without him knowing you are there you can´t do it in k-space. If you like titanwarfare you won´t do it in highsec.
Just because it has the same goal it is not the same gameplay. It is not like football and polo are the same sport since you try to get a ball into a goal.
ISD LackOfFaith
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ISD Alliance
#28 - 2014-09-04 19:56:31 UTC
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The Feuror
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-09-05 16:27:33 UTC
Better of living in your hole and just seeding a C5 from kspace for cap expo its what we do out of our c2 with 5/null statics. Lowclass dual statics rock for small gang shenanigans. Living in the C5 would suck to roll with a small group.

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#30 - 2014-09-05 21:26:34 UTC
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Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
#31 - 2014-09-06 04:44:21 UTC
Pancake King wrote:
Everyone seems to be sticking up for me and my buddies. We're a small corp in a C4 (3-4 active dudes on a good night) and apparently this patch has just been the worst thing ever for us.

But it's not.

We've got more connections, more opportunities for pew and for {Snip. -- ISD LackOfFaith}. We like it. In fact, the new C4 static is the best thing to happen since I first discovered wormholes and we don't even NEED to roll, we have that many connections. And if we DID need to roll, we'd just, well, roll and either get pew doing it or a new connections. The firg WHs are a bit ****, but meh.

So if you are unhappy with the changes, that's fine, I understand. Just letting you know you can complain for yourself, you don't need to complain for me and mine.

Also, with the massive exodus from WH space, if anyone is leaving a C5>C4 Mag, let us know. kthxbai.


Try C5's...

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