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What should I go for after T3's?
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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-04 14:19:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Solette Cheli
Hiya, I'm training up for Loki (and then Legion) and I'm not sure what I should train up after that. I don't really know what I want to train for next. I want to go for Stealth Bombers, Logi ships, HAC's and.. Maybe a couple of Dreads (Nidhoggur and Revelation?) but I dunno which I want the most.. How should I decide?
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#2 - 2014-09-04 15:05:15 UTC
Look at what you're currently doing and what your goals are. If you already know how to fly ships needed to do all that, I would go for a ship type that allows me to do something new or one that is even more specialized for my current activity. If that doesn't help either, keep unlocking new ships, but don't train them to full until you actually find yourself needing or wanting to fly one.
Forest Archer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-09-04 16:39:03 UTC
Go for what ever you want to fly but remember the smaller ships frigs, cruisers, bcs, and their variants are far more common in most situations. I am not going to deter you from capitals but they have limited situations so it is niv=ce to be able to use them but not over other ships. Also be aware that even if you can fly t3s, or any ship it is useless if you do not have the necessary support skills to fly it well. Never train into a ship to fly it then switch to another without being able to properly fly it.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-09-04 17:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Work your way through T2 ships first and learn about their strengths and weaknesses before you move towards T3s.

T3s are "mixtures" of different types of ships in one. Unless you know what you are doing and/or are properly skilled you will simply become a very expensive killmail for another person.

How did you Veterans start?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2014-09-04 23:24:58 UTC
I'm going to assume you've already done your research on strategic cruisers, know why you want to fly one and what you will do with it, and don't need advice there. If that is wrong, stop everything and do that research now.

Tech 2 cruisers, in general, are an extremely versatile bunch of ships and you will get them almost 'for free' with the skills for strategic cruisers.

Have a look at the various T2 cruisers - each race has 2 EWAR ones, 2 heavy assault cruisers (statwise they are basically battlecruisers with better resists and cruiser speed/agility), a logisitics cruiser ('healer ship') and a heavy interdictor (super tanky tackle that has additional capabilities in null/WH).

HACs require the least additional skilling out of these (if you can fly a strategic cruiser and have properly skilled into its weapon system and tank, all you need to fly the corresponding HAC reasonably well is the HAC skill at level 4, 5 days training). Logistics ships require around 40-50 days to fly fairly well once you can fly the corresponding T3, and the other ships are in between.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#6 - 2014-09-05 15:08:26 UTC
I am not a T3 expert but I have found (by making bad choices!) that all T3's are *not* equal. Knowing what it is you want to do ought to guide your choice re: which one to train for.

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Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-09-05 17:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Alaric Faelen
Everyone so far is right- it depends on what you're doing in game.

T3's will solo any PvE in the game except Incursions, and are often times the most festooned with bling until they rival the price of capitals. Clearly, there is a deep isk well from which T3 pilots can draw.

You should think of it as 'what new thing can I do with a T3?' since you're just getting into them. Because they can do pretty much anything in the game, the doors are basically flung open as to content available.

They are somewhat more rare in PvP, although lately they've made a comeback as a 'ship of the line' instead of a support role. Mostly though, large scale fleets use T3's as heavy/long range tackle and boosters. T3's can be refit to do all those roles, the T2's just force one ship to do one thing- usually better though because of it's intense focus.

What role you use a T3 in fleet for will dictate what T2 lines to follow.
HICs are very niche but an absolute blast to fly, even solo PvP with. Command Ships and boosting is another very niche role to dump training into- but critical to any viable fleet. EWAR is a never ending cycle of FOTM nerfs and buffs. And logi are the unsung gods of the battlefield. Take your pick.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-09-05 17:45:35 UTC
Ask yourself, what will I actually use? Don't just collect ships. Buy and fit them with a purpose in mind. If you don't know what a ship is useful for...do some research before you buy it and see if it's even a good fit for your playstyle. Ships are tools, and buying a pretty screwdriver to whack at nails is silly, no matter how intricate its design.

Assuming you are posting with your main, I would recommend you not train for dreadnoughts unless you are planning to join a player group. Dreadnoughts are next to useless as a solo platform and flying one around by yourself is asking to be publicly shamed. They require proper support to be useful, and your group will also have opinions about which they prefer.

When players aren't sure what to train my first question is "have you thought about joining a corp"? Playing with others lets you experience how different ships are used outside of training them and doing it yourself. You can also learn from others' mistakes as far as what to train and what to fly. You'll generally have so many things you want to train to fulfill specific roles in your group that you can't decide what to do first. There is a lot of fun stuff that can be done solo in EVE and I am a big proponent of that playstyle, but there is also so much to be learned from interacting with others; you are really handicapping yourself if you try to go it completely alone.

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#9 - 2014-09-06 03:20:15 UTC
Is a T3 question in New Citizens Q&A an oxymoron?
Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-09-06 04:58:30 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Ask yourself, what will I actually use? Don't just collect ships. Buy and fit them with a purpose in mind. If you don't know what a ship is useful for...do some research before you buy it and see if it's even a good fit for your playstyle. Ships are tools, and buying a pretty screwdriver to whack at nails is silly, no matter how intricate its design.

Assuming you are posting with your main, I would recommend you not train for dreadnoughts unless you are planning to join a player group. Dreadnoughts are next to useless as a solo platform and flying one around by yourself is asking to be publicly shamed. They require proper support to be useful, and your group will also have opinions about which they prefer.

When players aren't sure what to train my first question is "have you thought about joining a corp"? Playing with others lets you experience how different ships are used outside of training them and doing it yourself. You can also learn from others' mistakes as far as what to train and what to fly. You'll generally have so many things you want to train to fulfill specific roles in your group that you can't decide what to do first. There is a lot of fun stuff that can be done solo in EVE and I am a big proponent of that playstyle, but there is also so much to be learned from interacting with others; you are really handicapping yourself if you try to go it completely alone.

I'm going for Loki for Cap Escalations and general WH stuff, probably not soloing sites since I can't salvage.
Legion was just because I can and it's not that much training since I'll have most of the reqs done because of Loki.
Not my main.
I was intending dreads for WH stuff as well, mainly structure bashing and cap escalations.
In case you haven't guessed, I'm planning on spending my time in WH's..
I'll be joining a corp later (once I've nearly finished my Loki training) because cap escalations require groups and I'm planning for that to be my main focus at first.

Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Is a T3 question in New Citizens Q&A an oxymoron?

Uh. I would've posted in ships or skills discussion but those are more for actual plan/ship setups, I think..
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#11 - 2014-09-06 09:11:05 UTC
If you intend to provide Loki web support to a cap escalations fleet, you should be sure that you will not be financially crippled by acouple of early losses. They happen.

If you have 3 billion ISK behind you, I say go for it.

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Solette Cheli
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-09-06 09:12:59 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
If you intend to provide Loki web support to a cap escalations fleet, you should be sure that you will not be financially crippled by acouple of early losses. They happen.

If you have 3 billion ISK behind you, I say go for it.

But that's like... 5 loki's... Now I just need to figure out how to make 3bn without skills..
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#13 - 2014-09-07 04:15:17 UTC
Solette Cheli wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
If you intend to provide Loki web support to a cap escalations fleet, you should be sure that you will not be financially crippled by acouple of early losses. They happen.

If you have 3 billion ISK behind you, I say go for it.

But that's like... 5 loki's... Now I just need to figure out how to make 3bn without skills..



The reason you want 3b behind you is so that when a 600m loss happens, you aren't crippled.

I have a few tens of billions behind me, and so I could just laugh off a loss like that.

As for how to build your first billion, check out the market forums for ideas as to how to earn it, or come up with ideas as to how to steal it.

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