EVE General Discussion

The price of PLEX hits almost 800M in Tranquility, and 5.3B in Serenity. They all hit a new high in history.(ps: it seems that active players hit a new bottom in both servers)

>>> What happened in Serenity <<<

If compared with other prices in Serenity, such as ships, a raven sells for 350M (Raven Navy 800M), while Ishtar 400M, Vargur 2.4B,Chimera 2.9B, which means, the prices are doubled(comparing with Tranquility)

Incredible high PLEX price in Serenity lasted for a long time and totally destroyed the server (In 2008,plex sells for 700M,then 1B,1.3B,and 2B in 2012, 3B-4B in 2013, and 5.3B now,in 2014 ).
Due to bots, more and more PVE players give up and PVP players enjoy to sell PLEX for ISK, then the PLEXs are used to add bots' game time. A single PLEX sells for 50CNY(8.5$) and not very expansive for Serenity players(average 2 to 4 hours pay in real world).

Huge price gap between PLEX and other items encourages Serenity players to sell PLEX for pvp or other using, and leave more and more PVE to bots, such as mining, rating, even missions. That is, almost all the PVE activities which can get items, materials, isk, are "Modernized".

This "Modernized", even becomes some kind of "GLORY" to many Serenity players. They think PVE is boring, it's better to use bot, not their own hands. There is no difference how the materials and isk come out, by another player or a bot, they just use money to buy (maybe also no difference if there is something like an app store, I doubt ).In fact, when facing " boring PVE problems", they think CCP is wrong, and bots are right, for they only focus on their own "happiness".

Behind this "GLORY" , is space politics. In Serenity, population is always insufficient(average 8-10K nowadays, but 20-30K last year). Alliances have to use bots, some bots for logistic services, and some for real money (a rumor says a CEO sells isk for years, and finally buy a car and a house, unauthenticated info).

Now a loop has established, and Players(mainly RMTs/PVPs), ISK workshops(also some alliance and corps), Serenity server operator(a chinese corp ,not ccp) forms a "interest community".

LOOP: active players reduce -> more bots -> higher PLEX price -> PVP/RMT players, Alliance, operator corp get benefits, others are harmed -> EVE economic crash/normal players lose enthusiasm -> active players reduce ........an obviously negative feedback

But Serenity is still there, although such a feedback almost terminated it. Why?

In fact, Serenity has "re-born" twice.
Every 3 or 4 years, a new operator corp will continue to run the Serenity server, they give new players many bonus to attract population, such as months free play time, millions free skill points, ships, etc.
So, Serenity has many chance. If Serenity is going to die, a new operator will "re-born" it, start a new stimulus.
The latest "re-born" happened two years ago, the active players reached 40K in 2012 summer, but now only a quarter. Maybe next year, Serenity will "re-born" again.


>>> A recent post on ECF about Tranquility - a bots heaven <<<

Recently, a Tranquility player named "MrDiao" (A famous fan among chinese eve players) posted a topic about Tranquility on ECF(EVE Chinese Fans site), described Tranquility as a bots heaven, just at the time when Serenity was going to raise an "Anti-bots" storm.(Link bbs.eve-china.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=632432, in chinese, may need google translation)

In the post, he argues that it is impossible to maintain an alliance in Tranquility without bots, and bots are everywhere. Due to sovereignty mechanism, an alliance without bots couldn't survive in null. Bot corps rent territories
from huge alliances(he said more than 70% null territories are occupied by bots), and hand in high profits, many isk/items outcomes will go into RMT market.

An underground "industry chain" dominates the Tranquility RMT market, he describes, including alliances, brokers, launderers, and retailers, even more "advantage" than the one in Serenity. Every month, trillions isk are traded in RMT market, worth tens of thousands USD. CCP can do nothing to it, and all purposes of wars is to stimulate consumption, gain more profits. The only way of wining is "accumulation", he concludes. How to "accumulation"? The post answers.

This post did shock lots of Serenity players, they believed bots and RMTs in Tranquility is worse, and the situation in Serenity is just so so.

Although MrDiao's post seems not true, the situation in Tranquility did become more and more similar with that in Serenity.

The fall of Serenity, begins with two phenomenon:
1 population decreases
2 PLEX price increases (in the year before plex, instead by MONEY-ISK ratio, that is ISK devaluates)
Maybe It is hard to estimate how many bots in a server, but easy to see the result.

Maybe it's too early to say, Tranquility will fall (although in that post, the writer seems to say yes), but population decreases and PLEX price increases is true. If the price gap(between plex and other items) become more and more huge, Tranquility might be another Serenity.

Mind explaining what you are rambling about incoherently with interpretive dancing?

Chinese knock-off EVE is unsuccessful and full of bots (bots? in my china? more likely etc etc). Therefore TQ's days are numbered.

You seem to be basing your entire argument around the proliferation of bots and RMT and yet there is no proof of either one, just the rumor-mongering of a single player and yourself.

Sometimes when I say, "I'm okay," what I really want is for someone to take me in their embrace and say, "no you're not, here's a PLEX."

Hmm, I wouldn't be as worried about that as the Fedo proliferation going on....

Whatever you do, if you have one, don't feed it after midnight, or expose it to water. I'm sure this is a bad thing to do, I read it somewhere on the internet.

"Sell a PLEX"

So I want to confirm the rumor about Tranquility

This is the chinese operator website show's the banned accounts, all those who are banned for 30,180 days, are bots. Mpre than 50/per day, while only 6K now in this weekend by eve-offline
service.tiancity.com/gb/block/eve#

So this is a grr null alliances nothing but bots post or what?

you can check the data on eve-offline
Currently online: 32,071 Health: ok
Max (24h): 36,341 (2014-09-04 18:57:48) Version: 8.47.823475 - EVE-TRANQUILITY@ccp
Current record: 65,303 (2013-05-05 19:09:04) IP: 87.237.38.200
I log in TRANQUILITY almost everyday, and I remember that,last year I can always find the active pilot above 40K, but only 30K this year.

Currently online: 6,017 Health: ok
Max (24h): 11,716 (2014-09-05 14:05:16) Version: 8.44.801295 - EVE-SERENITY@optic
Current record: 42,170 (2012-08-23 13:28:36) IP: 211.144.214.68

If you look at the All time (weekly average), you will find the decrease of population in both server,
Serenity since 2012, the 3rd "re-born"
and TRANQUILITY since 2014-2, reach a new bottom since almost 2011