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Eve Valkyrie... good idea to compete with SC? you tell me

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Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#21 - 2014-09-05 16:20:49 UTC
SC meh.
E:D meh
Civilization:Beyond Earth is what I am waiting for.

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#22 - 2014-09-05 16:22:04 UTC
I am not sure how a "game" which is based on a "wow that looks amazing"-techdemo and no game concept can compete at all. It would really surprise me if CCP delivers a game which is actually fun to play once the initial excitement about the VR stuff has worn off.

Evil RatKid
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#23 - 2014-09-05 16:54:11 UTC
Sigh....

Valkaryie is not ment to compete with SC. It started out as a simple project for the rift, because well, the rift is freaking cool and geeks gotta geek. So a few guys made it, played with it, and then it got to the attention of management who went 'hey this is cool... lets show this and a few other things at fan fest and see what happens' and the players at fan fest latched on to it like a cow suckling its mother. So managamnet again went 'ok... that was better then expected... I think we can make money off this' Boom, eve VR becomes Valk.

The layoffs have nothing to do with eve, or valk, or even dust/legion. They happened because a project was killed. And ccp decided that to do what they need, they don't need that many devs/whatever. When a company changes focus, they cut divisons and people. Its sad, it sucks, but its business as usual.

This whole 'CCP should just focus on eve' is a HUGE no-no in the business world. ESP if you are dealing with entertainment. If CCP is a video game company, then they need more then one game to survive. Because if eve dies, or has hiccups, CCP suffers. But if say Valk is decent and brings in some money, and legion/dust does as well, it will make CCP and in the end EVE stronger.

I personally think CCP killing WoD was a STUPID. But I also think WoD should of come out in 2009/10. But as CCP changes focus to New Eden on PC, other projects will die.

Making WoD, Valk, And Dust/Legion is smart in the business sense, as in having all yoru eggs in one basket, esp if that basket is eve, means your growth will be very limited, and risky.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#24 - 2014-09-05 16:56:22 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think Valkyrie will come out, die on it's ass then CCP will go "that was a bad idea" and hopefully focus on EVE from then. Other games will probably not affect that outcome.


They can't focus just on eve, that is stupid from a business perspective.

And I think you are wrong, Valk will at least make some money, I think it will at a bare min do better then dust did. If its fun and enjoyable people will play it. If its bundled with a rift, i.e. you get valk for 'free' when you buy a rift, it will get a good amount of people to try it

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-09-05 16:59:57 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valkyrie won't be real until VR sets are delivered, which may not happen until Xmas 2015 or later

While the modern VR sets looks really exciting and would make a game like Valkyrie come alive, there is no reason the game would not be perfectly playable on a standard TV. There have been many flight dog fight style games that because popular without VR.

I don't know if you've watched the Valkyrie footage, but it really looks like its depending on the VR gimmick to carry the game. I know some (most?) will disagree with me, but it doesn't have the sense of splendor or scale that eve (or even dust) do. One of the trailers has a fly by of a station, and I couldn't help but think that it looks like a toy in comparison to what we have in eve.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#26 - 2014-09-05 17:06:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Can I just say, even though this is in the wrong forum...

I never expected Star Citizen to compete with EVE, but having been an avid Wing Commander fanboy all my life, ever since the first game, I didn't just have high expectations of Star Citizen, I KNEW it was going to be great. Not just great, wonderful. Groundbreaking. TEH PURE SEX!!!!

When I actually got to test it...

I nearly cried. I'm not exaggerating. I am, after all, a Wing Commander fanboy. I'm also a Star Wars fanboy, I almost cried like I cried when Chewbacca died in Vector Prime.

I'd been playing the Elite: Dangerous Alphas up until then, and then the Beta as well. Considering how much funding each one has had put into it, Elite kills it by a galactic mile. If you want to know how big a galactic mile is, take a country mile and multiply it by infinity. That's a galactic mile.

SC is DOA, IMO.


So you found out that an alpha build of the equivalent to the arcade machine aboard the Tiger's Claw is not like the whole Wing Commander? That's not surprising.

Now compare the Arena Commander to that arcade machine aboard the Tiger's Claw, and think that it's not done already. That will put things into a bit of perspective.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#27 - 2014-09-05 17:30:33 UTC
In order to compete with something, that something needs to have an existing product. Somehow, I don't think SC will be competing with eve for another decade at least. It takes an awful long time to code functional fifty million dollar shrubbery.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-09-05 17:32:21 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Can I just say, even though this is in the wrong forum...

I never expected Star Citizen to compete with EVE, but having been an avid Wing Commander fanboy all my life, ever since the first game, I didn't just have high expectations of Star Citizen, I KNEW it was going to be great. Not just great, wonderful. Groundbreaking. TEH PURE SEX!!!!

When I actually got to test it...

I nearly cried. I'm not exaggerating. I am, after all, a Wing Commander fanboy. I'm also a Star Wars fanboy, I almost cried like I cried when Chewbacca died in Vector Prime.

I'd been playing the Elite: Dangerous Alphas up until then, and then the Beta as well. Considering how much funding each one has had put into it, Elite kills it by a galactic mile. If you want to know how big a galactic mile is, take a country mile and multiply it by infinity. That's a galactic mile.

SC is DOA, IMO.


So you found out that an alpha build of the equivalent to the arcade machine aboard the Tiger's Claw is not like the whole Wing Commander? That's not surprising.

Now compare the Arena Commander to that arcade machine aboard the Tiger's Claw, and think that it's not done already. That will put things into a bit of perspective.


My perspective actually came from the degree of content, not the gameplay, compared to how much time and money both companies have had to produce it. My perspective is fantastic, almost as good as my hair in fact.

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Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-09-05 17:37:34 UTC
Arla Sarain wrote:
Define "kill EVE"?

Subscriptions flowing - money coming - profits.

There are anywhere between 21000 to 43000 players on Tranquility. Everyday I go by a highsec run I see countless obvious mining alts (unimatrix).
I doubt there are that many unique players as of something like...2 years ago maybe? I've only played for 8 months but it has been like this ever since I started.

And yet there are something like 400k subscriptions? And plex transactions amount to 2000 per day?
A lot of money going in and out for a "dead game"...

The other concern would probably be - is this really a game or just a posh online club for the rich ladies and gentlemen?


Please do some research before always boosting about profits

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve-developer-closes-san-francisco-office-two-key-/1100-6421968/
Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-09-05 17:38:31 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Plot Twist: Erotica1 is the SC dev.


lol
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#31 - 2014-09-05 17:40:03 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Plot Twist: Erotica1 is the SC dev.

That....that actually explains quite a bit. Legitimate spacehips developer FTW.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2014-09-05 17:40:58 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Please do some research before always boosting about profits

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve-developer-closes-san-francisco-office-two-key-/1100-6421968/

Yes, profits. Did you read the article?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-09-05 17:42:58 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Arla Sarain wrote:
Define "kill EVE"?

Subscriptions flowing - money coming - profits.

There are anywhere between 21000 to 43000 players on Tranquility. Everyday I go by a highsec run I see countless obvious mining alts (unimatrix).
I doubt there are that many unique players as of something like...2 years ago maybe? I've only played for 8 months but it has been like this ever since I started.

And yet there are something like 400k subscriptions? And plex transactions amount to 2000 per day?
A lot of money going in and out for a "dead game"...

The other concern would probably be - is this really a game or just a posh online club for the rich ladies and gentlemen?


Please do some research before always boosting about profits

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/eve-developer-closes-san-francisco-office-two-key-/1100-6421968/


Yes, because closing an office completely unrelated to EVE development is a sign of the end times. Some fine research there, and as always, nothing assumed, inconsistent or circumstantial about this at all.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#34 - 2014-09-05 17:46:06 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'll be happy when Star citizen and all these other space games launch so that they can join SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies and the dozen other games that over the last 11 years held the mantle of "new game that's going to have an affect on EVE so CCP better do something about it now!!!!"..

Side note, none of them had any affect on EVE at all. At least after SC comes out we can embark on the next "what game is gonna do it" speculation fest. Potential Irony: EVE Valkyrie is gonna kill EVE.


Go look at eve-offline.net and tell me those games didn't any effect on Eve. Less people playing Eve today than on my first day in 2009.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#35 - 2014-09-05 17:52:21 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
...so that they can join SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies and the dozen other games...


Go look at eve-offline.net and tell me those games didn't any effect on Eve. Less people playing Eve today than on my first day in 2009.



Sure: those games didn't have any effect on Eve. Eve numbers have only ever increased during the release windows of any of those listed games.

The current problems facing eve are internal, not external. There isn't some new space feudalism simulator out there. No, a subset of the people in this space feudalism simulator are bored because they have to live in a mess they helped create. Because that's what happens when you blue all of your neighbors.
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-09-05 17:58:09 UTC
Suppose all this comparing to star citizen may drive more people to eve when sc gets boring and full of microtransactions and ofcourse sc will run from day 1 with absolutely no problems or glitches and exploits, cant compete with over 10 years of development really

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#37 - 2014-09-05 18:02:46 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Sure: those games didn't have any effect on Eve. Eve numbers have only ever increased during the release windows of any of those listed games.

The current problems facing eve are internal, not external. There isn't some new space feudalism simulator out there. No, a subset of the people in this space feudalism simulator are bored because they have to live in a mess they helped create. Because that's what happens when you blue all of your neighbors.

This. The one game I've seen have any kind of sizeable impact on EVE numbers is…


…Diablo 3. For a whole 2 weeks.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#38 - 2014-09-05 18:18:55 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'll be happy when Star citizen and all these other space games launch so that they can join SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies and the dozen other games that over the last 11 years held the mantle of "new game that's going to have an affect on EVE so CCP better do something about it now!!!!"..

Side note, none of them had any affect on EVE at all. At least after SC comes out we can embark on the next "what game is gonna do it" speculation fest. Potential Irony: EVE Valkyrie is gonna kill EVE.


Go look at eve-offline.net and tell me those games didn't any effect on Eve. Less people playing Eve today than on my first day in 2009.





What does "today" have to do with the games i mentioned, the last of which came out in 2011.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#39 - 2014-09-05 18:30:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
I'll be happy when Star citizen and all these other space games launch so that they can join SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies and the dozen other games that over the last 11 years held the mantle of "new game that's going to have an affect on EVE so CCP better do something about it now!!!!"..

Side note, none of them had any affect on EVE at all. At least after SC comes out we can embark on the next "what game is gonna do it" speculation fest. Potential Irony: EVE Valkyrie is gonna kill EVE.


Go look at eve-offline.net and tell me those games didn't any effect on Eve. Less people playing Eve today than on my first day in 2009.





What does "today" have to do with the games i mentioned, the last of which came out in 2011.


"Today" less people are playing Eve, many of the people who left did so to go to one or more of those games.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-09-05 18:30:57 UTC
As long as Valkyrie can be played on my pc with an xbox controller, instead of the derpy vr headset, then I'll be whole-heartedly excited for it to come out. CCP has stated that it will be available on pc, but like anything else they say, it's more like "we'll see".
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