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Eve Valkyrie... good idea to compete with SC? you tell me

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Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-09-05 14:41:17 UTC
Well, again layoffs at ccp recently...

But why focus the attention now on so many different projects during hard times, instead of just sticking with their main project and what they do best?

What you guys think regarding this? Is it wise to compete with Star Citizen at this point for a space sim?

Dust was a failure, this vampire game was cancelled, now Legion, Valkyrie... and no major improvements lately in its main game?

So what you think CCP should do?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2 - 2014-09-05 14:48:33 UTC
I'll be happy when Star citizen and all these other space games launch so that they can join SWTOR, Black Prophecy, Jumpgate, Star Trek Online, Star Wars Galaxies and the dozen other games that over the last 11 years held the mantle of "new game that's going to have an affect on EVE so CCP better do something about it now!!!!"..

Side note, none of them had any affect on EVE at all. At least after SC comes out we can embark on the next "what game is gonna do it" speculation fest. Potential Irony: EVE Valkyrie is gonna kill EVE.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-05 14:48:46 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:


So what you think CCP should do?


Move this thread to the correct location.

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Cherry Sulphate
ojingo
#4 - 2014-09-05 14:50:36 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
So what you think CCP should do?


i think they should take you to one side, dust you with flour, dip you in egg, and roll you in panko breadcrumbs.
deep fried lacroix; oh oui, la belle délicatesse française!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2014-09-05 14:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#6 - 2014-09-05 14:53:08 UTC
I think Valkyrie will come out, die on it's ass then CCP will go "that was a bad idea" and hopefully focus on EVE from then. Other games will probably not affect that outcome.

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Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-09-05 14:57:39 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Well, again layoffs at ccp recently...

But why focus the attention now on so many different projects during hard times, instead of just sticking with their main project and what they do best?

What you guys think regarding this? Is it wise to compete with Star Citizen at this point for a space sim?

Dust was a failure, this vampire game was cancelled, now Legion, Valkyrie... and no major improvements lately in its main game?

So what you think CCP should do?


ED is going to wipe the floor with all of them.
Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-09-05 15:07:31 UTC
I see a lot of hatred towards my regular eve related thread.

Dust is also a CCP product and already dead pretty much. There are other games out there that are just as old as Eve and doing much better, but this is not the point of the argument.

I just wanted to see people's opinions, if people tend to agree to stick more with Eve Online's main game instead of doing so many projects at the same time, some of which fail during the planning stages, others, shortly before they come out... I wonder if CCP has not learned yet that their strength is with its main game.

My point? Instead of spend (waste) so much money on other projects, why not rather invest it here where there is nothing to lose?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#9 - 2014-09-05 15:08:10 UTC
EvE is not a space sim.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

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Arla Sarain
#10 - 2014-09-05 15:12:37 UTC
Define "kill EVE"?

Subscriptions flowing - money coming - profits.

There are anywhere between 21000 to 43000 players on Tranquility. Everyday I go by a highsec run I see countless obvious mining alts (unimatrix).
I doubt there are that many unique players as of something like...2 years ago maybe? I've only played for 8 months but it has been like this ever since I started.

And yet there are something like 400k subscriptions? And plex transactions amount to 2000 per day?
A lot of money going in and out for a "dead game"...

The other concern would probably be - is this really a game or just a posh online club for the rich ladies and gentlemen?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#11 - 2014-09-05 15:20:56 UTC
Valkyrie is not a space sim. It does not compete with SC in much the same way as SC does not compete with EVE.
I think they should just release their VR-centric arcade space shooter and let us blow some fools up, already.

Quote:
My point? Instead of spend (waste) so much money on other projects, why not rather invest it here where there is nothing to lose?
Your point is that CCP should fail as a company on the most basic level? That's not a very good point…
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#12 - 2014-09-05 15:24:16 UTC
meh another star citizen thread...

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#13 - 2014-09-05 15:24:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Valkyrie is not meant to compete with SC (nor E:D)
Valkyrie won't be real until VR sets are delivered, which may not happen until Xmas 2015 or later
Valkyrie was *hawezome* in 2013. In 2015 it will be taking serious heat from other VR games like Enemy Fighter

As for EVE Online, apparently the new release cycle has stabilyzed the ACU landslide at around 25,000 ACU, which was fine enough after Incarna and also back in 2009.

Now, if we talk about DUST and Legion... Ugh
Paul Panala
Tax Haven Form 1040
#14 - 2014-09-05 15:56:32 UTC
I think Valkyrie looks really promising. I plan to buy/sub when it comes out. I hope they develop some interesting interactions between Valkyrie and Eve players. Dust was really only interesting because it was based in Eve, but the games had NOTHING to do with each other. At least in Valkyrie you are still flying internet spaceships.
Paul Panala
Tax Haven Form 1040
#15 - 2014-09-05 15:58:37 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Valkyrie won't be real until VR sets are delivered, which may not happen until Xmas 2015 or later

While the modern VR sets looks really exciting and would make a game like Valkyrie come alive, there is no reason the game would not be perfectly playable on a standard TV. There have been many flight dog fight style games that because popular without VR.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-09-05 16:05:16 UTC
Let's understand something:

Star Citizen isn't going to be any competition for EVE, at all. For several reasons... but I'm only going to name two:

1: The majority of players will find SC boring and uninspired. The PvP in SC will be next to nonexistent, and the PvE will be even less challenging than EVE's. And if anyone thinks that SC will be a safehaven that protects you from griefers, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.

2: SC isn't even going to be a thing, at all. If it's not blindly obvious by now that guy is going to just pocket the 52 million dollars he's raised and run, I honestly feel bad for you. The investors seem to be turning to a "too big to fail" mentality... and, well, we've seen how far that's getting the US government with our new fighter plane.

Sorry, everyone. You've been scammed by Roberts Space Industry.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-09-05 16:06:02 UTC
Plot Twist: Erotica1 is the SC dev.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#18 - 2014-09-05 16:06:53 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think Valkyrie will come out, die on it's ass then CCP will go "that was a bad idea" and hopefully focus on EVE from then. Other games will probably not affect that outcome.





Maybe they'll put some resources into opening the door.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-09-05 16:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Can I just say, even though this is in the wrong forum...

I never expected Star Citizen to compete with EVE, but having been an avid Wing Commander fanboy all my life, ever since the first game, I didn't just have high expectations of Star Citizen, I KNEW it was going to be great. Not just great, wonderful. Groundbreaking. TEH PURE SEX!!!!

When I actually got to test it...

I nearly cried. I'm not exaggerating. I am, after all, a Wing Commander fanboy. I'm also a Star Wars fanboy, I almost cried like I cried when Chewbacca died in Vector Prime.

I'd been playing the Elite: Dangerous Alphas up until then, and then the Beta as well. Considering how much funding each one has had put into it, Elite kills it by a galactic mile. If you want to know how big a galactic mile is, take a country mile and multiply it by infinity. That's a galactic mile.

SC is DOA, IMO.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#20 - 2014-09-05 16:17:22 UTC
Valkyrie is the response to people wanting EVEVR or whatever it was called to become an actual thing.
Legion is the response to people wanting DUST on PC, which is where it was wanted all along.

DUST is/was a Battlefield clone on a console, and thus was always going to be bad and die.
WoD was something something vampires something, and thus was always going to something something vampires something oops I've been made redundant.

As regards EVE, they just went back and reworked industry from the ground up, and apparently plan to rework a few other core systems as part of the building stargates something something plan. So even if it becomes another something something redundancy plan, we still get more work done on the core systems of the game than has been done pretty much ever.

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