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Orca smack or not to Orca smack that is the Question!
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Iain Cariaba
#41 - 2014-09-04 17:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#42 - 2014-09-04 17:45:48 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Ganking in what way? Ganking the Orca?
Uh no, ganking the noobie "bounty hunter". Note that I suggested a method by which the orca could not be used, not the OPs idea of making an orca go suspect when it is. The orca pilot would have to actively choose to be suspect to be of use to a suspect pilot.

Anyway, I'm home now so this thread has become irrelevant.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2014-09-04 18:09:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
I'm home now so this thread has become irrelevant.


Clearly, because the relevance of any discussion about the mechanics of EvE is directly in relation to Kell's geographic position.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-09-04 19:03:50 UTC
HUB station guns should blow the hell out of the suspect, the agressor, the orca, and their pods. Also not allow them to dock there for a month and only after they pay a hefty security fee.

Not sure who administers these stations but they're not too smart.

Station gunners taunting them inlocal would be good too.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2014-09-04 19:06:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why not just make it so that you can't pull a ship from a non-suspect orca while you have a suspect flag?

Your ideas aren't the worst as far as Crimewatch balance goes, but they're pretty close.

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Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-09-04 19:52:34 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:
swap ships out from their rifter to their Tech III bling


Guffaw


right.


It is right.

T3 is hardly a blingy ship these days.

Glorified, slightly more expensive HACs.



Yup, I'd choose a Sacrilege over a Legion 90% of the time, for sure.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2014-09-04 19:56:14 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not "needed"
Good. Case closed.

Quote:
Indeed it has, and look where we stand.
Nowhere near anything remotely problematic. That would explain why it's not needed and why the case is closed.
Kristalll
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-09-04 19:57:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

It is. Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know the issue. Someone get into a juicy ship, goes suspect, waits for a noob trying to be a bounty hunter to engage, then swaps into a combat ship and annihilates them. All from a neutral Station.

If they want to use the Station in the fight, the Station should have to be in the fight. Obviously they can't just make an station suspect from using the ship bay, but make the station need to go suspect itself to be used by a suspect and problem is resolved.



FTFY

I guess this was really just a stealth nerf stations thread.

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#49 - 2014-09-04 19:59:42 UTC
Eh, I agree with OP. Nothing to do with "fair". There is no fair in EVE. It's about balance.

If you are assisting someone in combat you should be flagged for combat along side them. It's like that for remote logi and remote tracking as it stands. Using an Orca to switch into a more powerful ship is assistance in combat. You are directly allowing them to increase their DPS, tank, speed, etc. It's in fact more assistance than any single logi ship or remote tracker could provide.

If you want to bring out 10 logistics alts in addition to your now suspect Orca, that's cool. Bring 100 if you like.


Hey guys.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#50 - 2014-09-04 20:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Steppa Musana
Kristalll wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

It is. Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know the issue. Someone get into a juicy ship, goes suspect, waits for a noob trying to be a bounty hunter to engage, then swaps into a combat ship and annihilates them. All from a neutral Station.

If they want to use the Station in the fight, the Station should have to be in the fight. Obviously they can't just make an station suspect from using the ship bay, but make the station need to go suspect itself to be used by a suspect and problem is resolved.



FTFY

I guess this was really just a stealth nerf stations thread.

Station has a dock up time, timer before you can undock, and then an undock time.
Orca is almost instant.

Station is also not a player-controlled entity. A station doesn't decide to help someone and commit the actions manually.


Here's a thought experiment for the naysayers: If the game was designed so remote logi did not create a suspect flag, and the OP suggested that, how would you respond?
I bet most would say "HTFU".

Hey guys.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#51 - 2014-09-04 20:03:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Steppa Musana wrote:

Station has a dock up time, timer before you can undock, and then an undock time.
Orca is almost instant.


Station is huge and much easier to get to. It has a docking ring larger than some countries' land mass.

Steppa Musana wrote:
There is no fair in EVE. It's about balance.


What's the difference?

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Iain Cariaba
#52 - 2014-09-04 20:43:34 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
Eh, I agree with OP. Nothing to do with "fair". There is no fair in EVE. It's about balance.

No, it's not. Let's go back to my previous example. Same ship, same fit, same in game skill. Bittervet will trump noob every time because he knows how the mechanics work, and how to manipulate the system to acheive the better result. You will never acheive balance in a PvP system because several determining factors to balance are outside the system's control.

The foremost factor outside the control of a PvP system is blatant player stupidity. The instance that spawned this thread is an example of this. I can nearly guarantee the thoughts going through OP's head when all this started went something like this:

Quote:
Ohh, look! That mean old ganker is sitting idle and flashy outside the station. I'm going to teach him a lesson and pop his gank ship. Hehe hehe... wait, what! How did he get a ship that can kill me?!?! Nooooo, whaaaa!!! I'm going to complain on forums cause I made a bad decision.


Ok, I admit the last sentence is a stretch.
UNICR0N
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-09-04 21:20:02 UTC
i get back after 8 hours of work and my post explodes sweet gibblets
Paranoid Loyd
#54 - 2014-09-04 21:21:52 UTC
UNICR0N wrote:
i get back after 8 hours of work and my post explodes sweet gibblets


They keep locking all the good threads, people are bored. vOv

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2014-09-04 21:22:06 UTC
UNICR0N wrote:
i get back after 8 hours of work and my post explodes sweet gibblets


You are the Chaos Bringer

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#56 - 2014-09-04 21:25:44 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:

The fit is blingy, the ship as whole is blingy..expensive pod... or does it need to be over 10 bil fit AT ship... they swap to blinged III cruiser to duel frigates and cruisers. Comparatively it's blingy as it gets.


WTF is a "duel"?!


what is WTF?


I asked first


WTF


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Iain Cariaba
#57 - 2014-09-04 22:11:51 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
UNICR0N wrote:
i get back after 8 hours of work and my post explodes sweet gibblets


They keep locking all the good threads, people are bored. vOv

Considering I usually onl post when I'm at work, barring particularly enjoyable a**hattery threads, I'd have to agree here.

Yay for smart phones and free wifi at work!!!!!
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#58 - 2014-09-05 02:47:06 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Sara Tosa wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
UNICR0N wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
no, simply because the status would be flaged by the actions of the "bad man" rather than the pilot


Bah i see

think about it

Twisted" hay dude , can i use your orca?"

just stop letting random guys use your orca, problem solved.

thers an implication that they know each other,
who the **** lets randoms into their orca?


Wh0rca?

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#59 - 2014-09-05 05:56:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Wait... people fight next to stations?!? That's a thing? Shocked
I mean, I know it's possible and whatnot... but isn't it better to have your little knife fight in a dark alley somewhere instead of in front of the doorway to Best Buy? Pirate

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-09-05 08:04:28 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why not just make it so that you can't pull a ship from a non-suspect orca while you have a suspect flag?

bascially this, though the orca pilot's safety should control it.

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