Missions & Complexes

-lvl 4s can be run solo, no need to wait for a fleet.

-Incursions get boring after a while. lvl 4s are boring but you can just log off when you want, leaving in the middle of an incursion fleet will gain you the ire of many incursion FCs. At least you get different missions, in incursions it's "we just did a TCRC, warp to the next TCRC".

-lvl4s are more family friendly. With my overtanked rattlesnake I can walk away from the computer at any time to deal with a screaming kid. In an incursion you can not unless you tell the FC you need to go afk for that the logi locks you up and watches your shields till you come back (a major PITA for all involved)

-lvl 4s don't require you to pick up and move every time a rival group gets ticked off and pops the mom early.

I'm still of the opinion that Incursions in high sec are too good for the amount of risk and effort involved (very low risk unless your are super shiny, very low effort for everyone except the few people running the fleet such as the FC, LC, dropper/picker, AAA and such). But they don't trump lvl 4 missions for convenience.

Also your estimates are a bit low, the right ship in lvl 3s can do about as much as you say is average from lvl 4s.

You obviously have not run incursions lately. Here, read this: http://thevalhallaproject.info/news.html

My incursion income went from LOTS to Almost Nothing. So yeah, I am back to l4.

incursion have a fixed max players limit for each site and a limited number of site spawned at any time, l4 are infinite.

In finding ISK per hour for incursions, be sure to include the time needed to fly to the incursion site, the time used to wait for a spot on the fleet, and the time needed to fly home when you are done.

Once you do that, you will see the ISK per hour is not quite as good as you think.

Better tax rates at the stations they use.

Jump clones.

Locator agents.

The isk is way higher than your estimate.

Because I can pick it up and put it down instantly - kids/cat/door/work calls
Because it's a respectable income supplement when I'm tired or wrapping up of an evening.
Because the time I'd spend in an incursion, I'd prefer to be blowing people up on my main.
Because why NOT do it whilst you're playing the market on said alt? You can 0.1isk from space and get a little liquid isk injection whilst you're doing it.

Its all about accessibility. Try getting in to a regular incursion fleet if you in the NZ time zone before DT. I think helix now are about the most active and warp to me try.
Also a lot of people can't always be on voice coms. I know if I came home from work everyday and jumped on TS I will soon come home to an empty house.
So if you took in to account the above, the wait times and the travel time, lvl4's are more consistent\accessible.
It also a nice change, having been in wh's and null for most of my eve time a little lvl 4 farming is a nice change.

That would be my personal hero, Mooseburger. I used his spreadsheets as the basis for mine.

edit: It's actually "moose burger" and "frozean" , e.g. http://eve-search.com/thread/1368512/page/1


It's around 100+M/h in asset generation.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4217001
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=334784&find=unread


As other overcommitted parents have pointed out, incursions require too much commitment. Heck, I was at the point where blitzing level 3's (~3 minutes per mission) was the only EVE activity that I could make time for. Now I just log in to update my skill queue (and even then, I'm setting long level 5 skills.)

* shorter time commitment, you can pick up and run one in ~15 .. 30 minutes usually even solo.
* does not involve long travel, wait times, etc.
* you can multi-account them reasonably effecively, unlike incursions (other than ISBoxers)
* 90 mil/h is single account pimped ship ballpark (depending substantially what LP are you exactly getting), however, if you throw 2+ accounts at it the gap with incursion average is not that large and you can skip most of the pimp. L4 completion times scales pretty reasonably up to ~2000 .. 3000 dps (depending on alpha, RoF, lock speed, travel times and weapon type used).

That out of the way Incursions in reasonably pimp fleet should be still slightly ahead because of the LP. They are just also more effort. There is no point of walking all the way up to the Incursion area if all you have is less than 1h of gametime in that session.

I run l4 missions because it is quite relaxing to do them while watching porn, contrary to incursions, where people actually want you to shoot or repair when you got more important things to do.