Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi
I want to suggest to change the mechanics of rigs.

Considering the backstory behind the developing of rigs (made up by putting salvaged garbage together with some glue and duct tape), it is weird that they have been put in the mass production and that all of them have same, stable attributes. I would like to suggest that we change it.
I propose to add a variation of parameters. Let the market sell the same rigs that now. But when you install them in the ship, a randomly calculated parameter - "successful installation", - varying in the range from 1 to 11, is added. In this case, 1 - is an epic fail, 11 - epic win and 6 - no change. Epic Fail reduces rig bonuses by 20%, and increases the penalties for the same 20%. Epic Win increases bonuses by 20% and reduces the penalties for the same 20%
The probability of a parameter to do the following (normal distribution with mean 6 and standard deviation 1.5):
_____________________________________________________
Value__|__probability of drop__|___extra bonus___|__extra penalty
1 _____|_____0.1%_________|_____-20%______|____+20%
2 _____|_____0.7%_________|_____-16%______|____+16%
3 _____|_____3.6%_________|_____-12%______|____+12%
4 _____|_____11% _________|______-8%______|_____+8%
5 _____|_____21.3%________|______-4%______|_____+4%
6 _____|_____26.6%________|_______0% _____|______0%
7 _____|_____21.3%________|______+4% _____|______-4%
8 _____|_____11% _________|______+8% _____|______-8%
9 _____|_____3.6%_________|_____+12% _____|_____-12%
10 ____|_____0.7%_________|_____+16% _____|_____-16%
11 ____|_____0.1%_________|_____+20% _____|_____-20%


Depending on the skill level, the minimum possible value of the parameter will increase: from a minimum value of 2 for a skill level of 1, to a minimum value of 6 for a skill level of 5. That is, for the skill level 5, it will be no longer possible to insert a rig worse than it is in the current mechanics.
Accordingly, when the skill is 5 above table will look as follows:
Value__|__probability of drop__|___extra bonus___|__extra penalty
6 _____|_____63.3%________|_______0% _____|______0%
7 _____|_____21.3%________|______+4% _____|______-4%
8 _____|_____11% _________|______+8% _____|______-8%
9 _____|_____3.6%_________|_____+12% _____|_____-12%
10 ____|_____0.7%_________|_____+16% _____|_____-16%
11 ____|_____0.1%_________|_____+20% _____|_____-20%

Extra bonuses and extra penalties are applied multiplicatively to the current properties of rigs. For example armor trimark gives +15% armor and -10% speed. In the case of epic fail it will give 12% armor and -12% speed (15%+(15%×-20%) = 12%; -10%+(-10%×20%) = -12% ). In the case of epic win - 18% armor and -8% speed

What does this give us?

1. Skills for rigs become de facto mandatory again.
A dramatical increase in the demand for rigs, especially small ones: they are very cheap, a dozen attempts to "stick better" does not cost anything. This will increase the price of salvage, and the attractiveness of exploring
Revive solo and small-scale PvP: rigs for PowerGrid and CPU with a successful case will allow new fits.
Carebears and miners will also get a new game
This will make ships more valuable for the players as they will have a more personalized meaning for them.

Cons

1. Reapeated failed attempts to get the better bonus may cause players disappointment
Possible technical troubles with the implementation of this mechanics

Two things regarding the tech implementation of this idea which may be useful:

There should be "installation success" parameter of the rig-slot. At the rig insertion the system calculates new value for this parameter, and writes it to the designated place.

So, all you need to do is just add one numeric parameter to object "rig slot" and make a few changes in formulas that are applied to rigs.

I do understand that underlying mechanics of ship fittings may differ though.

1.) RNG is bad ... try to join an ECM discussion and you will see.

2.) Rigs have drawbacks, and the skills are worth to train.

3.) Trying to corp fit 200 PvP ships with the need of max T1 ort T2 CPU or PG rigs = instant fail of the concept.

4.) Would ruin existing builts, like an Incursion Guardian.

5.) You have not understood how rigs work, what they are offering and how the drawbacks and skills work

-1 times 1000000000000000000000000000000.

Good day

Learn rig skills at 5, and you will have no problem with fails. Learn it at 4, and you will have only 36.5% chance to get extra penalty (with minimal strength, only 4% penalty), and 36.5% to get extra bonuses.

pls no

I'm guessing this is really about the worthless nature of most salvage. It deserves attention but I'm not sure this is the answer.

Rigs were part of the prenerf development phase much like Black Ops and haven't had anything done to them since they were deployed. They are a pig to invent because the base chance is at the same level as a T2 hull. Calibration costs are not rational, they often compete with modules in stacking penalties, penalties on roles are prejudice to shield and armor tank, hull size illogically, doesn't seem to be a factor in what they do.

For a reason of great mystery, the Minmatar got no electronics superiority rigs at all. They have stasis web based bonuses but no Web rigs. I'd love to see a Web range rig with a penalty on the strength and the bonus and penalty be based on the rig size, not a one size fits all set of stats. I'd like to be able to rig a Battleship to use small weapons and take penalty on large. The things rigs should have been designed to do. Not just be 3 more low slots or medium slots.

Well, let's speak about logic.
As i already told, rigs made from crap and duct tape.
Why all of them have identical characteristics, without any variation?

The onus is on you to tell everyone else why they should all be randomly generated and why this wouldnt be a massive tedious and annoying feature with time wasted 're-rolling' like in every other game that has random crafting. And you've just been given a load of reasons...

gameplay>logic, fluff and everything else.

Just imagine, how many carebears lusting for this. Immense possibilities for pimping.