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Orca smack or not to Orca smack that is the Question!
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#21 - 2014-09-04 15:15:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Why not just make it so that you can't pull a ship from a non-suspect orca while you have a suspect flag?


Why should a pirate corp be penalised unfairly?
It's not about punishing pirates, it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships. The same issue occurs with people duel baiting on the undock then docking to swap ships.

Personally I'm not going to be getting involved in lame fights in highsec, so it's not really something that I could give a rats ass about, but in the long run it will just prevent people engaging in highsec, since they know a ship swap and 15 neutral logi later they are going to get obliterated.

I prefer my combat with both sides committing to the fight, but maybe that's just me.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-09-04 15:22:07 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships.


As far as I was aware, Suspect status is on the pilot, not on the ship

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Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#23 - 2014-09-04 15:33:51 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:
swap ships out from their rifter to their Tech III bling


Guffaw


right.


It is right.

T3 is hardly a blingy ship these days.

Glorified, slightly more expensive HACs.


The fit is blingy, the ship as whole is blingy..expensive pod... or does it need to be over 10 bil fit AT ship... they swap to blinged III cruiser to duel frigates and cruisers. Comparatively it's blingy as it gets.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-09-04 15:36:09 UTC
Mochalatte wrote:

The fit is blingy, the ship as whole is blingy..expensive pod... or does it need to be over 10 bil fit AT ship... they swap to blinged III cruiser to duel frigates and cruisers. Comparatively it's blingy as it gets.


WTF is a "duel"?!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mochalatte
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#25 - 2014-09-04 15:45:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:

The fit is blingy, the ship as whole is blingy..expensive pod... or does it need to be over 10 bil fit AT ship... they swap to blinged III cruiser to duel frigates and cruisers. Comparatively it's blingy as it gets.


WTF is a "duel"?!


what is WTF?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2014-09-04 15:45:52 UTC
Mochalatte wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mochalatte wrote:

The fit is blingy, the ship as whole is blingy..expensive pod... or does it need to be over 10 bil fit AT ship... they swap to blinged III cruiser to duel frigates and cruisers. Comparatively it's blingy as it gets.


WTF is a "duel"?!


what is WTF?


I asked first

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-09-04 15:55:35 UTC
Grr Pirates...

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-09-04 15:58:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not about punishing pirates, it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships. The same issue occurs with people duel baiting on the undock then docking to swap ships.
…and the question remains the same: why is such a change needed?

Quote:
but in the long run it will just prevent people engaging in highsec, since they know a ship swap and 15 neutral logi later they are going to get obliterated.
If it did, it would already have happened. The Orca came out 6 years ago — “the long run” has long since passed.
Iain Cariaba
#29 - 2014-09-04 16:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
You already cannot swap ships from an Orca while you have agression timer. Keep in mind there is a difference between a suspect ti er and an agression timer.

If the pirate shot at you first, who's fault is it that you sat around for 60s while the pirate had no modules active on you so his timer could run out and enable him to swap ships again? If the pirate had a point on you, he would not have been able to swap ships. Therefore, you consented to losing your ship when you decided to continue the fight and not warp off after the pirate stopped agressing you. If this is the case, then this post is nothing more than whining on forums over your bad decision.

The only other way it works is if you fell for the 'suspect bait ship' trick. In this case, you consented to losing your ship when you decided you wanted to try and get an easy kill. If this is the case, then this post is nothing more than whining on forums over a failed gank.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#30 - 2014-09-04 16:37:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships.


As far as I was aware, Suspect status is on the pilot, not on the ship
It is. Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know the issue. Someone get into a juicy ship, goes suspect, waits for a noob trying to be a bounty hunter to engage, then swaps into a combat ship and annihilates them. All from a neutral Orca.

If they want to use the orca in the fight, the orca should have to be in the fight. Obviously they can't just make an orca suspect from using the ship bay, but make the orca need to go suspect itself to be used by a suspect and problem is resolved.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
WTF is a "duel"?!
LMGTFY

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2014-09-04 16:38:48 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships.


As far as I was aware, Suspect status is on the pilot, not on the ship
It is. Stop being deliberately obtuse. You know the issue. Someone get into a juicy ship, goes suspect, waits for a noob trying to be a bounty hunter to engage, then swaps into a combat ship and annihilates them. All from a neutral Orca.

If they want to use the orca in the fight, the orca should have to be in the fight. Obviously they can't just make an orca suspect from using the ship bay, but make the orca need to go suspect itself to be used by a suspect and problem is resolved.


Oh boo hoo

HTFU Kell you wuss

Always whining about how others have outsmarted you.

How about you just stop it with your gurning

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#32 - 2014-09-04 16:42:19 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oh boo hoo

HTFU Kell you wuss

Always whining about how others have outsmarted you.

How about you just stop it with your gurning
lol, I couldn't give a crap, but it's the "leet pvpers" always whining about how much people don't fight them, then they use every possible mechanic in the book to avoid fair fights when people do engage. Make up your minds. Do you want fights or do you want risk averse opponents who avoid them?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#33 - 2014-09-04 16:44:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's not about punishing pirates, it's about removing the ability to engage people then swap ships. The same issue occurs with people duel baiting on the undock then docking to swap ships.
…and the question remains the same: why is such a change needed?
It's not "needed", it would just promote fights over bait and gank, which I would think is a good change. But honestly, I don't care enough to properly argue the point so w/e.

Tippia wrote:
Quote:
but in the long run it will just prevent people engaging in highsec, since they know a ship swap and 15 neutral logi later they are going to get obliterated.
If it did, it would already have happened. The Orca came out 6 years ago — “the long run” has long since passed.
Indeed it has, and look where we stand. People sitting outside stations for hours on end trying to bait the occasional noob into fights while whining about how everyone in highsec is a carebear because they won't engage obvious bait.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-09-04 16:48:45 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
[lol, I couldn't give a crap, but

Oxymoronic statement, ok

Lucas Kell wrote:
it's the "leet pvpers" always whining about how much people don't fight them, then they use every possible mechanic in the book to avoid fair fights when people do engage.


They do? Where? In this thread? Where? Quotes please?

And fair fights are what idiots and losers call stagnant, static, symmetrical combat.

The kind that pretty much came to an end on 17th July 1936

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#35 - 2014-09-04 16:54:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
[lol, I couldn't give a crap, but

Oxymoronic statement, ok
Giving a crap and posting throught boredom are two different things.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
They do? Where? In this thread? Where? Quotes please?

And fair fights are what idiots and losers call stagnant, static, symmetrical combat.

The kind that pretty much came to an end on 17th July 1936
rofl. Indeed. You heard it right here folks, pvpers never complain about zee carebears and their lack of engagement, and how they should be forced out of safety.

It seems strange to me that you yourself went on at length about how people should defend themselves rather than avoid wardecs, yet now here you are arguing for yet another mechanics which favours ganking over actual fights. It's all very telling.

Edit: and it's not going to stop being funny that you don't know what a duel is.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2014-09-04 17:01:02 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Ramona McCandless wrote:
They do? Where? In this thread? Where? Quotes please?

And fair fights are what idiots and losers call stagnant, static, symmetrical combat.

The kind that pretty much came to an end on 17th July 1936
rofl. Indeed. You heard it right here folks, pvpers never complain about zee carebears and their lack of engagement, and how they should be forced out of safety.

If you actually think thats what people have said to you in any of the threads you have given your opinion in (including this one), you really have difficulty with the english language.

Lucas Kell wrote:
It seems strange to me that you yourself went on at length about how people should defend themselves rather than avoid wardecs, yet now here you are arguing for yet another mechanics which favours ganking over actual fights. It's all very telling.

Ganking in what way? Ganking the Orca?

Lucas Kell wrote:
Edit: and it's not going to stop being funny that you don't know what a duel is.

It was supposed to be funny. Duels are for idiots.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Iain Cariaba
#37 - 2014-09-04 17:16:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
...it's the "leet pvpers" always whining about how much people don't fight them, then they use every possible mechanic in the book to avoid fair fights when people do engage. Make up your minds. Do you want fights or do you want risk averse opponents who avoid them?

Why should players only engage in fair fights? A fair fight implies there's a roughly even chance you're going to lose. If you were to eliminate all PvP where one side didn't have a decided advantage, there would be no EvE.

If you give identically skilled toons in identically fit ships to someone who's been in PvP for five years and someone who's been in PvP for five months, this is not a fair fight. When you fly into an anomaly in your blinged out Ishtar and obliterate two dozen battleships and their escorts, this is not a fair fight.

Face it, the only people who ever cry for a fair fight are the losers.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2014-09-04 17:27:13 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
...it's the "leet pvpers" always whining about how much people don't fight them, then they use every possible mechanic in the book to avoid fair fights when people do engage. Make up your minds. Do you want fights or do you want risk averse opponents who avoid them?

Why should players only engage in fair fights? A fair fight implies there's a roughly even chance you're going to lose. If you were to eliminate all PvP where one side didn't have a decided advantage, there would be no EvE.

If you give identically skilled toons in identically fit ships to someone who's been in PvP for five years and someone who's been in PvP for five months, this is not a fair fight. When you fly into an anomaly in your blinged out Ishtar and obliterate two dozen battleships and their escorts, this is not a fair fight.

Face it, the only people who ever cry for a fair fight are the losers.


Totally this

Mission Runners don't worry about "fair"

Marketeers dont either

When an Alliance goes to war, the last thing they want is a fair fight.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#39 - 2014-09-04 17:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Abrazzar
Ignore this. Wrong thread. Found the screw.

Sovereignty and Population

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#40 - 2014-09-04 17:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Quote:
think about it

" hay dude , can i use your orca?"


Go **** yourself.

FIN.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it