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Sacrilege/Cerberus
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Rufus Britton
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-02 17:16:25 UTC
The Cerberus at the minute is an awesome ship, it has 4 bonuses that apply to Light Missiles, Heavy Missiles and HAM

The Sacrilege has 3 bonuses that apply to missiles. My bugbear however is that only one of these applies to Light Missiles, Heavy Missiles and HAM. The other 2 bonuses apply only to HM and HAM.

The way I look at it, Caldari have their missile HAC which excels at kiting. Amarr should be able to have a Rapid light missile sacrilege that is similar to a caracal except instead of being kitey, its slow but tanky. The 2 bonuses that apply to HM and HAM should also include Light Missiles. I like my Rapid light fit on my sacrilege but I feel its ******** at the moment as I'm effectively ignoring 2 bonuses.

NIFTYGetAtMe
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-09-02 18:08:20 UTC  |  Edited by: NIFTYGetAtMe
Think of it this way; the Cerberus has the OPTION to be fit to counter small ships while being a longer range platform with RLMLs with the trade off being gimped effectiveness against equal or bigger ships and *forced* kinetic damage. The Sacrilege has free choice of damage type with bonus damage and much more tank with the trade off being gimped effectiveness against smaller targets when fitting RLMLs and slightly lower damage compared to the Cerberus.

The Sac kinda IS what you want it to be; a slower, tanky Caracal (albeit armor tanked) when fit with RLML. You get a RoF bonus, so it's not as bad as you make it out to be. It can't be too similar to the Caracal/Cerb because it's not supposed to be. It's Amarr and it's armor tanked and damn good at it. Could you seriously imagine Sac's with the range and damage of RLML caracals AND that 4% armor bonus? No way man, too OP.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-09-02 21:28:19 UTC
The Sacrilege applies more DPS with RLMs than the Cerberus does. EM/Explosive damage really are that much better than Kinetic.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#4 - 2014-09-03 00:15:27 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
The Sacrilege applies more DPS with RLMs than the Cerberus does. EM/Explosive damage really are that much better than Kinetic.


Unless you are shooting a tech2 whinematar hull..

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xPredat0rz
Project.Nova
The Initiative.
#5 - 2014-09-03 02:47:46 UTC
With an armor tanked ship a Sac can bring the proper EWAR to effectively DPS smaller targets with the larger weapons systems.
Kyoko Onzo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-09-03 08:27:12 UTC
Never not put kinetic resists on your ship. Being pigeon holed into one ammo type, eek.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#7 - 2014-09-03 11:51:19 UTC
Two completely different ships in fittings, flying style, support ships in a HAC gang and battlefield tactics.

Pointless to compare, really.
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Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-09-03 12:22:10 UTC
xPredat0rz wrote:
With an armor tanked ship a Sac can bring the proper EWAR to effectively DPS smaller targets with the larger weapons systems.


There's a rather large list of cruisers that take less damage from HAMs than they do from RLMs even when webbed to zero.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2014-09-03 19:32:31 UTC
Dear Rufus,

the way that the Cerberus and and Sacrilege differ in attributs is a hint on how you may want to fly the ship. In case of the Sacrilege it might be a good idea to scram-web your opponents and get close and cozy.
The increased tank could be helpful in those situations.

In case of the Cerberus, the increased speed and range bonus could be another indication that do not want to be in close and cozy situations and might want to keep a healthy distance.

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Furnace
Thermodynamics
#10 - 2014-09-03 20:46:12 UTC
RLML Cerb applies waaaaay better to cruisers than HAMs or HMLols. The HAM sacrilege only works because it is generally a brawler. A RLML Sac would be silly because it would not fulfill the role the Sac is designed for.

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2014-09-04 09:27:44 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Two completely different ships in fittings, flying style, support ships in a HAC gang and battlefield tactics.

Pointless to compare, really.


they are both hacs

they both shoot missiles

they have similar bonuses to missiles

they are ships of the same class. why not compare them?
Absolutely Not Analt
Carebears on Fire
#12 - 2014-09-04 14:43:52 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Two completely different ships in fittings, flying style, support ships in a HAC gang and battlefield tactics.

Pointless to compare, really.


they are both hacs

they both shoot missiles

they have similar bonuses to missiles

they are ships of the same class. why not compare them?



That's like saying a target rifle and an assault rifle are both long, made of metal, and shoot bullets.

The point they are trying to make is that you can't just look at a ship's weapon bonuses - you have to look at the ship as a whole. The sac and the cerb fill two very distinct niches in the spewing missiles of death category - trying to compare them directly is like trying to compare a Rokh and a Hyp.

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Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#13 - 2014-09-04 15:39:41 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
xPredat0rz wrote:
With an armor tanked ship a Sac can bring the proper EWAR to effectively DPS smaller targets with the larger weapons systems.


There's a rather large list of cruisers that take less damage from HAMs than they do from RLMs even when webbed to zero.



I always paint and web things I am shooting missiles at. It helps. See ATXII on how that works for a Golem.
Lugalzagezi666
#14 - 2014-09-05 14:08:40 UTC
Rab See wrote:

I always paint and web things I am shooting missiles at. It helps. See ATXII on how that works for a Golem.

Agree.
If you are planning to shoot a cruiser or something smaller with sac, take a buddy in golem with you.