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Happy Blowback (part one) Day

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1 - 2011-12-07 17:21:02 UTC
Did FDR Provoke Pearl Harbor?

In the long run, Japan won the war

How about that comic book history of Pearl Harbor (the one where the US was minding it's own business and just got attacked by those horrible evil Japanese)

There is a lot to be learned from knowing something is going to happen and doing nothing about it.


EvE related:

Much could be said about the value of NOT having your carriers in the harbor during a massive attack. But I wonder if any alliances in EvE ever got dropped on in such a manner? Has a fleet ever been attacked in a home system, such as a POS being taken down with a fleet in the field but everybody was offline watching TV or on a holiday?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-07 17:59:30 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



EvE related:

Much could be said about the value of NOT having your carriers in the harbor during a massive attack. But I wonder if any alliances in EvE ever got dropped on in such a manner? Has a fleet ever been attacked in a home system, such as a POS being taken down with a fleet in the field but everybody was offline watching TV or on a holiday?




Nope, never happened

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#3 - 2011-12-07 18:11:38 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:



EvE related:

Much could be said about the value of NOT having your carriers in the harbor during a massive attack. But I wonder if any alliances in EvE ever got dropped on in such a manner? Has a fleet ever been attacked in a home system, such as a POS being taken down with a fleet in the field but everybody was offline watching TV or on a holiday?




Nope, never happened



BOB was known for POS-Bowling - any chance they had an unmanned fleet pop out? I have heard of POSes being good pinatas in WH space.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-07 19:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
I've heard that FDR conspiracy theory from right-wing old guys in Japan. "They knew about it, but they left the BSs there to get sunk so the American public would let the U.S. get in the war." Check out At Dawn We Slept by Gordon Prange. Seems more like the inept U.S. military bureaucracy was to blame. Wireless listeners pick up a Japanese transmission. Intelligence officer says it sounds like a fleet with carriers is headed toward the U.S., scribbles a note marked "Urgent." Corporal types up a memo, misreads the abbreviation for "carriers", types in "cruisers." Memo sits on lieutenant's desk. Captain gets it and stamps it 'Priority', sends to colonel. Colonel's secretary puts it in the wrong pile. Colonel eventually sees it, misunderstands the memo's terse wording, thinks it's not important. Sends it to general's office. General is golfing with a visiting Senator. Sees the memo on Sunday morning, calls his Executive Officer, says, "Bob, maybe we should move all those aircraft sitting out on the runways...." BANG! BOOM! KABLOOIE!
Over and over like that. Lower ranked guys picked up clues, but the bureaucracy didn't have a system for collating them, analyzing them, and acting on them.

Also a great book for the description of the Japanese carrier-fighter-bomber operation. Very cool, and executed nicely. But they had SNAFUs of their own too. Didn't hit the oil tank farm at Pearl, and the submarine link-up op was a complete disaster due to overly-complicated and optimistic planning.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-12-07 19:36:22 UTC
Can't add anything, but it's really always been obvious even when I read about this for the first time in school history text books that Pear Harbor was fishy. I don't think it's fair to speculate that some evil cabal on one side or both planned for thousands to die or that either side was purely incompetent. It sounds like a large collection of small failures and mistakes rather than some big evil plan.


"Anti-State, Anti-War, Pro-Market."
Damn, Herzog, you looking for a job?
These guys need you.

Charges Twilight fans with Ka-bar -Surfin's PlunderBunny LIIIIIIIIIIINNEEEEE PIIIEEEECCCCEEE!!!!!!! -Taedrin Using relativity to irrational numbers is smart -rodyas I no longer believe we landed on the moon. -Atticus Fynch

Tear Miner
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-12-07 21:51:01 UTC
VKhaun Vex wrote:
Can't add anything, but it's really always been obvious even when I read about this for the first time in school history text books that Pear Harbor was fishy. I don't think it's fair to speculate that some evil cabal on one side or both planned for thousands to die or that either side was purely incompetent. It sounds like a large collection of small failures and mistakes rather than some big evil plan.


"Anti-State, Anti-War, Pro-Market."
Damn, Herzog, you looking for a job?
These guys need you.


People are too conditioned by movies and fantasies to really see that life is ultimately mundane and has less than interesting explanations for large scale events.

Sorry Herzog, but you're not some anti-hero caught up in some geopolitical master plan for world domination.

Here's the cut: People are weak and make mistakes at times, humans are prone to error, misunderstanding information, and other such things that make us incredibly fallible. I doubt a human cabal could possess the ability to mastermind a complete control over the world since WW2 without any real credible evidence.

Furthermore, why do I see ads posted up and down these websites with this news that should be freely distributed to every man, woman, and child? Sounds like someone's making a buck off of people's need to feel that life is much more than it is.
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2011-12-09 12:41:57 UTC
Hanlon's Razor > Herzog Wolfhammer's Tinfoil

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#8 - 2011-12-09 13:28:06 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:
Sounds like someone's making a buck off of people's need to feel that life is much more than it is.


And...what is life, in your opinion?

This space for rent.

Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-12-09 15:06:16 UTC
Don't know about the specific conspiracy theories OP linked, but I do appreciate the looking around and taking a critical approach. Better than being the average semi-conscious herd animal.
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#10 - 2011-12-10 05:30:50 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Tear Miner wrote:
Sounds like someone's making a buck off of people's need to feel that life is much more than it is.

And...what is life, in your opinion?


Interesting question.

I have traveled abroad, from the US to Central America and South America, Europe and as far for me as Croatia and some other Eastern European Countries with main European countries in the list.


I have met, during my younger years as a ... "student of the university of life" , a latin phrase for people that do nothing during their early years, a lot of people from several paths of life.

Medical Doctors, Engineers, Psychologists, Artists, Drug Addicts, Suicidal Patients, Schizophrenics, Hinduism believers, Buddhists, Christians of all denominations, Muslims and Jewish practitioners, Con Men, People "possessed", was part by happenstance of a local church delegation into demonic infestation (which is taken quite seriously btw) , met Drug Dealer Capos and Sex Addicts and Orgy organizers, talked to Military men that tried to shoot me with a FAL after failing to notice their stop motions and seen and heard gunshots aimed at me or stuff pretty close to me and or my relatives.

I dabbled into practically any kind of secret club or society pretending to have a key or several of them to understanding and life, people with all kinds of sexual tendencies and hardcore criminals masquerading as the law, talked to priests, rabbis and an aspiring Imam once.

I worked in Jails, Psychiatric Hospitals and several childrens institutions dedicated to disabilities, like Down's and Autism. I have met all kinds of strange people and been friends or companions to pretty odd ones.

I have a friend that ended working for VALVE and another that ended up working for the NOBEL Foundation in Spain, have met Amazonian Shamans and Wayoo Ethnic MOJANS, witch doctors in Venezuela, plus Colombia. I have talked to self declared satanists and talked to people that tried to kidnap me once after I narrowly escaped in the mountains in Merida, Venezuela during an age where people dissapeared there a lot. I have seen people killed in front of me and seen death to the eye, I still find myself squirming a bit. I have met killers, that killed with their hands and killers that just ordered hits, part of working in latinamerica in jail I guess.

I have met a lot of them and to most of them I always ask the same question you asking. After any kind of event where my life has been threatened and I have managed to get my bearings I usually try to talk to people, just to understand, and I end up asking that same question friend.

And not a single one of them has given me a definitive answer.

The solder that was about to unload a magazine on my car and family once in the Colombia Venezuela border I kindly asked him after being detained a lot of questions. Same with a lot of other people and have had grown men cry at me if I knew the meaning of life, ready to kill themselves or after trying to kill their spouses/girlfriends.

And after all this I honestly know about that as much as when I started.

For some, the meaning of life is money, plain and simple, others power, others family and some only one person in particular, and they were pretty much willing to kill for it or kill themselves since without them, life had no meaning.

Others I have found to be a bit more complex, and life was perhaps a standby point to be enjoyed with women and alcohol, others decided it was best to dedicate their lives to a single person or ideal, not out of love but for having something to stand upon.

Simpler minds usually had a clearer idea, since for them life was ... simpler. Marry, have kids and work. Others decided all they wanted from life was just love, from family or prostitutes, real or paid for, it was the same for them, they just wanted to be reassured they were loved.

I once met a man whose purpose was to attain knowledge, of an esoteric nature that to this day I consider one of my mentors, and he confided me , a couple months before death, that after all his years and wonderful trove of mystic books (having seen an original Manly P. Hall signed by him was one of the FEW treasures he decided to just show me and I managed to touch the ink for a small symbolic gesture) that despite everything he had done , he had never seen enough of everything that he wanted so his purpose for life was perhaps incomplete, or perhaps just a need to keep understanding.

Some of my friends in high end institutions all over the world have confided me their purpose in life was social climbing and academic respect and another , that went away poor and entered Spain illegally and lived doing drugs, confided me all that mattered to him was sexual pleasure.

Some elderly people I have met told me the only good thing that ever happened to them was having sex with X or Y person, and that they would have happily traded their whole lives for one with said human being.

I have met obsessed men, and still treat from afar, that simply cannot let go of their former partners and need my help from time to time to avoid doing something crazy, their whole meaning is beyond a person, but an ideal state of things that never will be.

I met women whose only purpose in life was romantic love and despite being torn apart by life itself, keep looking for it, innocently, burdened by children and absentee husbands.

I don't know, anyone that says they know the meaning of life in an universal way is deluded.

If you ask me, though, I can pretty clearly say that knowing, like my mentor once did, is mine. My meaning lies on the eternal looking for it. I don't look for God nor Satan, nor pleasure nor poverty, But I severely enjoy watching and understanding.

And to be honest, I have never remained cloistered, since ironically, life itself has pushed me to a lot of bad experiences, which I assume are part of life.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#11 - 2011-12-10 05:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Brujo Loco
I have talked to political leaders, both in Venezuela and Panama, met strange people here too, specially Panama, which is a stopover for a LOT OF interesting people if you know where to look. For most of them I discovered an strange sense of making life a power driven ordeal, conquer or be conquered or the need to be recognized, their meaning being based on social standing that only has value when shown to others.

I once saw a little child , barely a couple hours old die in a room next to me in an adjacent room during Internship in a local public Hospital, where curtains are usually the only thing separating you from other people. What could have been the meaning of the life of that poor innocent soul? Was there even one?

Or what of the man killed a few blocks from me, one night when I wanted to buy bread and all I could see was a guy running away and woman crying over the dead body of said man , his blood beginning to form a pool of blood I had to dodge with my car. What was the meaning of his live?

Or the family friend, that once, during a severe corruption case in my country that bankrupted a very important bank, when seeing all of his wealth was gone, he simply decided to shoot himself. A man I was practically talking a few weeks earlier.

Or one of my gaming companions, that died defending the life of his son when a robber decided to steal his car and was about to shoot the kid? What was his purpose , the meaning of his life?

Or the man, that upon despair of his wife leaving him, decided to use a medieval garrote using wire cord taken from a coat hanger to slowly kill himself.

I don't even know why I'm writing here, as I'm assailed by even more loss and personal doubt as some of my family members are being harassed for extortion money back in Venezuela. An endless source of angst I honestly wish just to forget I even came from there, forget everything and just move on.

You just go to a thread in an internet forum and see someone asking, what is the meaning of life, what is life about and honestly, all I can do is write.

Death, poverty, wealth and happiness, love and hate? God? Social standing? Security? A better Job? kids? A loving wife/husband? A car? A Better gun or a better Computer? Legal papers? Citizenship? A Passport? A bank account or a trip to an exotic country? Seeing a dead loved one return? Or having no regrets?

Honestly, I'm pretty set up In what I want and the meaning I give to my life, but then again, there's so much to life. So much and so little time, so little time, and so many distractions.

So the real question here would be ... What is the meaning of YOUR LIFE?

Back to op and the statement, perhaps it was all a matter of happenstance or perhaps it was a big evil conglomerate of shadowy power blocs that influenced said event. Perhaps it was both and none or neither!

Considering how life is, al I could say is it doesn't matter in the long run unless you nurture your own meaning of life from knowing the answer to it, or not knowing it at all.

The Sweet Chaos of life might have no meaning at all, but wouldn't that make it a meaning?

Anyway as usual, I bask in the chaos of this thread, it was ... entertaining.

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#12 - 2011-12-10 16:48:35 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
What is the meaning of YOUR LIFE?


To know who I am.

Without that knowledge, all else fails.



This space for rent.

KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#13 - 2011-12-10 18:34:07 UTC

Also, there is a treasure map on the back of the US Constitution.

Dum Spiro Spero

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#14 - 2011-12-10 18:44:24 UTC
My understanding of the meaning of life is based on the simple fact that any cut to even one major artery and you bleed to death in roughly 2 minutes.

Yeah I'm no fun at parties.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#15 - 2011-12-10 18:48:21 UTC
Remember WHAT about Pearl Harbor?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#16 - 2011-12-10 20:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Brujo Loco wrote:
(...)

So the real question here would be ... What is the meaning of YOUR LIFE?

(...)


Life has no meaning. And if it had, it would be a practical joke. Blink

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-12-12 16:47:39 UTC
Brujo Loco wrote:
(...)

So the real question here would be ... What is the meaning of YOUR LIFE?

(...)


to colonize outer-space with internet spaceships?!?
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-12-12 17:32:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My understanding of the meaning of life is based on the simple fact that any cut to even one major artery and you bleed to death in roughly 2 minutes.

Yeah I'm no fun at parties.




I found that out after living on a remote island a couple of years with drunken machete people. Kind of cured me of being a pseudo-philosopher/hipster/music connoisseur snob. But I don't think it's the whole meaning of life. How about the fact that we're put into a material body in what seems to be a material world... but we have the ability to inquire beyond it?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2011-12-12 18:45:15 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My understanding of the meaning of life is based on the simple fact that any cut to even one major artery and you bleed to death in roughly 2 minutes.

Yeah I'm no fun at parties.




I found that out after living on a remote island a couple of years with drunken machete people. Kind of cured me of being a pseudo-philosopher/hipster/music connoisseur snob. But I don't think it's the whole meaning of life. How about the fact that we're put into a material body in what seems to be a material world... but we have the ability to inquire beyond it?



Don't make me think.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
#20 - 2011-12-12 18:45:37 UTC
Telegram Sam wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
My understanding of the meaning of life is based on the simple fact that any cut to even one major artery and you bleed to death in roughly 2 minutes.

Yeah I'm no fun at parties.




I found that out after living on a remote island a couple of years with drunken machete people. Kind of cured me of being a pseudo-philosopher/hipster/music connoisseur snob. But I don't think it's the whole meaning of life. How about the fact that we're put into a material body in what seems to be a material world... but we have the ability to inquire beyond it?



Interesting, can you elaborate on the island with drunk machete people?, I find the concept and basis of the possible story ... entertaining. Big smile

Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco

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