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Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#121 - 2014-09-03 15:59:12 UTC
Still rolling holes, getting kills and getting killed in wh space post patch.

Adapted, evolved and still not whining about the changes.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#122 - 2014-09-03 16:09:33 UTC
I'm failing to see why people think that the isk farmers don't like Hyperion. Closing off thei hole is a little harder now, but there are even less people rolling the new sigs. Their are less people rage rolling. This is a bearing paradise.
Maduin Shi
MAGA Inc
#123 - 2014-09-04 02:42:21 UTC
Kirasten wrote:
I'm failing to see why people think that the isk farmers don't like Hyperion. Closing off thei hole is a little harder now, but there are even less people rolling the new sigs. Their are less people rage rolling. This is a bearing paradise.


Assuming the cap escalation farmers are actually getting sites spawning in their wormhole, this really is a good patch for them and no they are not in here complaining. They would be out farming.

Its the two-bit group with three or four dudes online wanting to run sites in a wormhole with 6+ connections and a coupla frig holes that aren't so happy.
Eviscerator Void
Chaos State
#124 - 2014-09-04 02:45:24 UTC
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.
Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
#125 - 2014-09-04 03:27:06 UTC
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



I don't know which planet you crashed into, but you need to seek some help, for that banged up head of yours. Roll
Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#126 - 2014-09-04 05:33:31 UTC
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



We have 4 High Sec connections in our chain today.
Pavel Sohaj
BAND of MAGNUS
#127 - 2014-09-04 06:57:54 UTC
I absolutely loved the C1 C2 C3 C4 and C5 at the same time in our wormhole. Especially since we had the utmost luck of running into occupied WHs, having entire train of battlecruisers fly through our WH. IT was happiest ship spinning of my life :D It made us so happy that we packed the POS and are leaving for C5, rather then trying to make a living in C4s. Whilst the change might seem good for some, I hate it as it made C4s nearly uninhabitable.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#128 - 2014-09-04 07:28:46 UTC  |  Edited by: umnikar
Kirasten wrote:
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



We have 4 High Sec connections in our chain today.


...it's like:

"****, my bubbler is on the other hole!"
"Wich hole? .. the k162?"
"No, THIS k162!"

"Ok, he warped between PII and PIV!"
"Nice, I'm on it!" .... "No wait, this is the frig hole and ... a Proteus decloaked next to me .. ****!"
"Confirmed, we got 2 new sigs. I scan em ... sry for your loss."
"nw, I reship in Jita. Back in a minute."

Blink
Maduin Shi
MAGA Inc
#129 - 2014-09-04 07:32:18 UTC
Kirasten wrote:
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



We have 4 High Sec connections in our chain today.



Too bad you have to scan and warp to a zillion other wormholes leading to nowhere before finding them now. Its always the last sig to scan that goes where you wanna go.... Roll
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#130 - 2014-09-04 08:13:15 UTC
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
I absolutely loved the C1 C2 C3 C4 and C5 at the same time in our wormhole. Especially since we had the utmost luck of running into occupied WHs, having entire train of battlecruisers fly through our WH. IT was happiest ship spinning of my life :D It made us so happy that we packed the POS and are leaving for C5, rather then trying to make a living in C4s. Whilst the change might seem good for some, I hate it as it made C4s nearly uninhabitable.


I know its not a popular opinion on the forums, especially the post patch whineathon that the wormhole forum has become, but if you wont fight for it, you shouldn't be holding it, and if you can't or won't fight for it, please don't come here complaining about it.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Mithandra
B.O.P Supplication For Glorious
Dracarys.
#131 - 2014-09-04 08:15:29 UTC
umnikar wrote:
Kirasten wrote:
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



We have 4 High Sec connections in our chain today.


...it's like:

"****, my bubbler is on the other hole!"
"Wich hole? .. the k162?"
"No, THIS k162!"

"Ok, he warped between PII and PIV!"
"Nice, I'm on it!" .... "No wait, this is the frig hole and ... a Proteus decloaked next to me .. ****!"
"Confirmed, we got 2 new sigs. I scan em ... sry for your loss."
"nw, I reship in Jita. Back in a minute."

Blink


This sounds more like a problem with your pilots ability to label holes in an easy and meaningful manner, rather than a problem with the patch.

Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
Maduin Shi
MAGA Inc
#132 - 2014-09-04 08:33:31 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
Pavel Sohaj wrote:
I absolutely loved the C1 C2 C3 C4 and C5 at the same time in our wormhole. Especially since we had the utmost luck of running into occupied WHs, having entire train of battlecruisers fly through our WH. IT was happiest ship spinning of my life :D It made us so happy that we packed the POS and are leaving for C5, rather then trying to make a living in C4s. Whilst the change might seem good for some, I hate it as it made C4s nearly uninhabitable.


I know its not a popular opinion on the forums, especially the post patch whineathon that the wormhole forum has become, but if you wont fight for it, you shouldn't be holding it, and if you can't or won't fight for it, please don't come here complaining about it.


I don't think he's complaining anymore, he adapted like you guys have and I have. Still, its like adapting to TV dinners and microwave veggies, when just a week ago you were eating filet mignon.
Navigation Boy
Edge Dancers
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#133 - 2014-09-04 14:12:59 UTC
Maduin Shi wrote:
[quote=Mithandra]I don't think he's complaining anymore, he adapted like you guys have and I have. Still, its like adapting to TV dinners and microwave veggies, when just a week ago you were eating filet mignon.

Am I the only one that prefers TV Dinner to Filet Mignon?
I mean literally, not metaphorically.

Kirasten
Perkone
Caldari State
#134 - 2014-09-04 15:00:09 UTC
Navigation Boy wrote:
Maduin Shi wrote:
[quote=Mithandra]I don't think he's complaining anymore, he adapted like you guys have and I have. Still, its like adapting to TV dinners and microwave veggies, when just a week ago you were eating filet mignon.

Am I the only one that prefers TV Dinner to Filet Mignon?
I mean literally, not metaphorically.



Yes
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#135 - 2014-09-04 15:28:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Sentamon wrote:
Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn wrote:
But at the moment I see no reason for people that make it worth to settle or venture into w-space.


There should have never been a reason to settle in w-space, and as far as venturing there, it's worth it now more then ever because all the good stuff isn't immediately closed off.

If all the "small corps" that comprise of 3 guys and their army of alts are having a problem milking the ISK cow, then cry me a river. Eve is a PvP orientated Massive Multiplayer game, not your private PvE server.


I find these comments funny since they clearly misunderstand the nature of pvp in an open world environment. Just as wolves need sheep to survive in the real world, pvp'ers in an open world game need robust sustainable pve to exist if there is to be any open world pvp. Any change that nerfs sustainable pve ultimately shoots pvp squarely in the foot. If anything, CCP should be promoting pve in whs as much as it can; get people to use the pve content and pvp will follow just like wolves follows heards of sheep.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#136 - 2014-09-04 16:57:52 UTC
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(
Winthorp
#137 - 2014-09-04 21:00:17 UTC
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Don't like the C1? Learn to adapt and take over another WH, or just quit and wait for someone to hold your hand in another game.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#138 - 2014-09-04 21:29:29 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Don't like the C1? Learn to adapt and take over another WH, or just quit and wait for someone to hold your hand in another game.


I guess some people became too resident and built capitals in there... :/
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#139 - 2014-09-04 21:35:03 UTC
Mithandra wrote:
umnikar wrote:
Kirasten wrote:
Eviscerator Void wrote:
While I agree Hyperion is a mess it's for completely the opposite reasons.

Regarding risk, there isn't much for the most part. All the increased incoming traffic is just lambs to the slaughter. Small ships that can't compete against even a single player defense. Free kills for daytrippers! Free kills for venture killers! Free kills free kills!!

An evic fleet is more likely to stumble into a hole... however they actually have to WANT to fight for the it... and I think that drive is lower. So risk wise it feels like a steady stream of easy kills with no one else really caring enough to put so much effort into a steady stream of easy kills. May as well park at Uedama.

Logistics wise, wow two exits to high sec per day! Damn, not only do I get to exit to high sec I get OPTIONS. That would have been glorious in the past. Now it's tuesday.

To me it just feels like they turned on cheat mode. Maybe I should be happy about this but... it just... feels... boring.



We have 4 High Sec connections in our chain today.


...it's like:

"****, my bubbler is on the other hole!"
"Wich hole? .. the k162?"
"No, THIS k162!"

"Ok, he warped between PII and PIV!"
"Nice, I'm on it!" .... "No wait, this is the frig hole and ... a Proteus decloaked next to me .. ****!"
"Confirmed, we got 2 new sigs. I scan em ... sry for your loss."
"nw, I reship in Jita. Back in a minute."

Blink


This sounds more like a problem with your pilots ability to label holes in an easy and meaningful manner, rather than a problem with the patch.


...being the pilots all me. so yeah, now i fail even more than before patch. ;)
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#140 - 2014-09-05 01:29:40 UTC
Winthorp wrote:
BBQ PorkRamen FlyingDuck wrote:
Really small C4 corp here, we pve and (try to) pvp on opportunities that present themselves.

This patch has pretty much ruined it for us because our second static is a C1 (can't effectively collapse with small number of players in reasonable time) and that it seems doing sites is suicide, as wormholes pop up so often. No sites, no money to replace things we get blobbed on (that's annoying too lol)

Seriously considering packing up and returning to k space or unsubbing altogether. (cause me no like kspace) :'(


Don't like the C1? Learn to adapt and take over another WH, or just quit and wait for someone to hold your hand in another game.


I don't understand. If Hyperion's goal was to move people out of C4's, then mission accomplished. Seen many people packing up POS's.