EVE General Discussion

CCP ignored real eve content for two years to work on space barbies. The results were less than spectacular.

No your ideas will not be implemented because they are stupid. Take them to there logical conclusion and you will see that it all fails. Once again you prove that you truly have no idea what you are talking about. But like Alex Jones will keep rambling whatever garbage you decide to **** out as if it were gold.

Don't be too eager to get out the pitchforks for "N+1" as a force multiplier.

Since this isn't a flight sim and thus skill has no real bearing on the game, your major force multipliers that come outside of fleet comp are numbers and pricetag.

And pricetag is immeasurably worse for the health of the game than numbers. This is because pricetag shuts out new players from participating. New players, by virtue of the game's skill system, cannot overmatch a veteran player save in one way. And that way is numbers.

Furthermore, if pricetag becomes the game's primary force multiplier, it essentially becomes an arms race for the most effective and expensive ship. And as we learned from Titan proliferation, eventually that stops being a barrier. And then of course you have "N+1" gameplay anyway, just with an enormous isk wall in front of it.

So like I said, don't be too eager to ladle on the hate for "N+1". It's a multiplayer RPG, the reality of it is that numbers do play a large part, and they should.

The Caldari have the advantage in number of raw pilots in the militia, not in actual living pilots being fielded.

Caldari has more people enlisted because their LP is the most valuable of all of them, since Caldari Navy ammo is used for two weapon systems. Which means they have more bot farming accounts.



You miss the point, it seems.

I am not saying that pricetag is the major force multiplier right now. What I am saying is that everyone who cries "nerf having friends!" fails to realize is that if they get their way, pricetag will become the major force multiplier afterward, and they still won't get what they want. And it will hurt the game besides.

And that is as a result of a heavily railroaded system, forcibly decentralized that as a result is highly vulnerable to abuse from afk farmers and timezone ping pong. It's also largely free of capitals, to boot.

Don't act like faction warfare is perfect either.

Well, before I address anything else, you're crazy if you think people aren't clamoring to fix faction warfare. They do this every day, loud enough that they devoted a balance pass to buttons recently, making cloaking devices useless and accidentally dramatically improving the quality of life for every defensive plexing bot farmer in the game.

It's broken, every bit as much as sov. They just aren't as loud about it, nor is the problem as visible or as long standing.

Unless you're willing to put in arbitrary ship size class exceptions into whatever Macguffin you plan on using for sov fights, you will not get what you are aiming for from faction warfare transplanted into sov.

Because the ship restrictions? Those are the major driving force behind faction warfare being dynamic in any way.

That's nice?

War zone control is not "shifting". It goes to one side, then the other, as the farmers trade alts once they've cashed out. Binary flip flopping is precisely the kind of thing we want to avoid in sov warfare, otherwise it may as well just be NPC space across the board since actually holding and using territory will be impossible.

I for one think that if we have to have a flawed system, that erring on the side of it being worthwhile to set down roots is better. That's the whole point of sovereignty nullsec in the first place. It *should* be harder for the attacker.

And as for your cause and effect.

I dispute your cause. I think it's far more of a meta problem than a game balance problem. Numbers are required to break into sov. Good, they should be, smaller groups belong in lowsec. But what you're really bemoaning is that anyone who gives a damn has already chosen a side, and that forward momentum has caused it be broken into two sides. Which means that the organizational level required to keep things going is in short supply as well.

And that's not a game mechanics problem either. A game mechanics problem is that no one likes shooting structures, but no one can think of a better idea. A game mechanics problem is when one ship dominates the various fields of battle across the game.

What you're talking about has long since evolved past a game mechanics problem, into a meta problem. CCP sat on their hands for too long, missed too many chances to shake things up or turn it into occupancy based system control. They wasted their time and energy on space barbies instead of fixing the actual game.

There is no "quick fix" to what we have right now. The cat is out of the bag, and the lines are already drawn.

That would be difficult, given that I haven't targeted anything at all.

It's up to CCP to choose what gets fixed - and when. Rather pointless to "target" something at this stage.

Oh we know what needs to be targeted.

Empire sprawl, N+1, capitals, sov. We even know in what order CCP needs to fix them and that there will be huge changes that are needed on our part.