Wormholes

Few points, definately not in favour of the fire Fozzie meme, he is the face of the changes, not always the cause, and because wormhole space has not been touched for so long, we all expected whatever happened to unbalance things for a while, just not this much. He is probably as surprised as we are, and trying to understand what went so wrong. He and his team, will be the solution to our problems, not an adversary.

I personally believe that the main changes, after tweaking and amendments, smoothing off the rough edges and the database reflecting changes, will balance out, but this needs to happen very quickly, possibly tweak the benefits, to keep things alive and tune them to a new level when all the numbers are in. Corbexx's research will be invaluable here.

Frigate wormholes are definately reduced, I still do not quite see how they help, but if they led to some form of new space with new things to learn and discover, we would have been ecstatic. Maybe room for hope there?

Mass spawn, is irredemable, it contains the most horrific concept, that it is ok for players to be sacrificed to blind luck.
Kill it, burn it, and bury the ashes and pray no one remembers it. Apart from the company, who remember to never bring that concept back to life again. EVER

Not only that it compounds all the other effects and makes them almost unbalanceable.

Get rid of that, keep on top of things, and the expansion will probably, overall, work out well.
Without doing that?

Not a chance in hell.

Updated my original post since It included more people's quotes than i wanted, in particular the fire Fozzie movement. Regardless hopefully they have some statistics to show how much activity has diminished since this update. I know personally the majority of my WH activities now have degraded to nothing but gas harvesting and PI. That sucks.... however at the same time if i don't have the means to secure our wh, or roll for a new connection I don't have a whole lot of options.

O and as a general rule this is the scenario that has gone down nearly every time we have one of these frig wh's.

Scout "scanned down new sig, warping to it. Ok it's a k162"
Fleet "where does it go?"
Scout "checking............it's a frig whole......"
Fleet "..........son of a @#$%^&*&^%$#@*&!!!!!!!!!! Well thanks everyone for logging in. See you tomorrow."

As many of you will have noticed, we deployed the addition of a new line of text in the show-info box to indicate the relative sizes of wormholes in a patch yesterday.
Our art team is also working on a visual indicator in the form of an extra effect around the outside of wormholes (similar to the effect that can be seen on the EVE Gate wormhole in the Origins trailer) that changes colour based on the size of ships that can pass through a wormhole.

A non-final version of this visual change can now be seen on our Singularity test server. Our art team is watching for feedback on the visual changes in this thread.

Thanks.

These changes feel like the perfect implementation of how to get people to stop living in wormhole space. Time to crack a bottle of champagne if that was the goal, because you knocked this one out of the park.

Allow the JC options for Rorquals in wh ?

My semester started shortly after Hyperion dropped, so I haven't been nearly as active as I was pre-Hyperion, but it seems like more people have frigate holes at any given time than don't. I could be wrong, my sample size is pretty small.
I really don't understand what they are supposed to do, besides be an annoyance. I was going to do some mining in my home hole while working on Calculus today, but I logged in and saw that we have a frigate hole so I am cloaked up, with Eve minimized, doing homework instead of doing anything in game. Without someone on each of the 3 other wormholes we have right now, plus the frigate hole, I'm not going to take a mining ship into a belt. So, for the 16 hour lifetime of that damned annoyance I am doing effectively nothing since the only thing that is likely to come through that wormhole is a scout who will likely open any wormholes that aren't already open from whoever first opened it. I'm not concerned with the frigate hole itself, rather what the frigate hole means for all the other wormholes.
An associate of mine lost an Exhumer yesterday because a frigate hole opened their static, a ship came in and either cloaked or logged for most of the day, and when he was balls deep in the belt they warped in and popped in. There was no "fun" element to it, no probes to give him warning while spamming D-scan, no new sigs, just the buzzer. The whole point of telling that short story is to point out that, even being proactive and spamming D-scan, he had effectively no chance to prevent the loss of his ship.
These holes are, as another associate pointed out, a 16hr "**** block" to people that don't have the online manpower to watch each hole and cloak a Falcon on-grid just to mine or run sites. When you combine that with the extra effort/risk required to close the holes after the frig hole despawns and most of my available backup is unavailable, it really makes me second guess logging on unless an op is going down. Hyperion is "bad" because it's changes, when combined with other things, are bad and not because Hyperion itself is actually bad.

If these holes were inter-Kspace I think there would be a fair amount of content brought about, you could scan one down and jump a gang of frigs deep into low or null and go hunting, but bringing them into wormholes is a big mistake in my opinion.

Fozzie, we have had our differences but, as was stated earlier, you are only the face of the changes and not necessarily the creator of them. So, my take on frigate holes is burn them with fire, get them out of wormholes, they are doing more harm than good. Especially the wormhole-wormhole connections, the only thing that a wormhole group is likely to send through a frig hole is a scout, if they're interested in PvP they'll leave him there and come back through K-space later. This isn't a content creator, it's an ambush tool.

Fozzie
please consider removing the text describing the mass allowance, it's too much hand-holding and breaks immersion and wspace mood. I liked it as a transient solution for the frig K162 hole problem, but as you guys are brilliantly adding a visual effect to each mass restriction, we won't need the text anymore.
I really love the wormhole colors thing, Penny took the time to research them and I like this meta, as many have figured out which hole names led to which classes.
Now I see a hole allows only small ships, oh C1; dangerous unknown allows larger ships, oh C4. That's too easy and a bit disappointing. Let players have the effort of researching and discovering.
we're playing EvE afterall.

^^ This..

If I wanted to fly frigs I would. I actually like flying different ships and variety is a great thing.

I can fly frigs well on all my toons and I still don't fly them in wormholes. I only fly them in low sec or null sec.

btw uncollapsible wormholes go against what I used to love about wormholes...

the fact you can control your own little system no matter what size your corp :)

Either remove the frigate holes or do one of the following:

1. Add a subsystem that reduces the mass of a T3 to frigate size
2. Introduce T3 frigates

As they are, they're an annoyance and don't add anything to the game. It's bad game design and you should feel bad ,CCP.

My corp is living in a C3 WH with a null static. Honestly the frig holes just tie up an account to watch while we do our normal daily activities. Most of them go to 0.0 anyway which is pointless if you want PVP. Even more useless are the frigate holes into C5 and C6 space. What were you thinking we would do take most of our guys out in the most lightly armored ships and attack a POS ? Sleepers ? Really if your goal was to just make living in the most hostile environment in the game WORSE you hit the nail on the head. As many things as there are that are truly broken in Wspace, maybe you could consider fixing those issues first before you add things that are not needed or wanted. Consider fixing the abysmal respawn rate on anoms in lower class chains. POS revamp. I love EVE and have a lot of respect for the developers but guys you missed on this one.