Wormholes

So... hows the life in your hole since the patch?

I must say that we had many frigate only holes before CCP "fixed" their spawn rate but now it seams to be ok. C4 used to be carebear heaven since no wandering hole could spawn from it but those frigate hole can tho.

Two times since the patch we farmed our C3 static peacefully but we only had 2-3 combat site spawn in our C4 and no data/relic so far. (Mean RNG)

Hyperion gave us a C5 static wich we never really bother so far and we will probably never crash it either cause 3b in mass is really a pain to crash with BS and 1 orca. Not to mention that we are a small corp so if a fight come up, we won't stand a chance.

Most of the time we have 3 wormholes in our C4. Normally it's not enough to keep us inside our POS but if there is 4 wormholes in our system we will probably wait till they dissapear before doing anything.

Before the patch, 4 wormholes was kinda exceptional (meaby 1 time per week) but now we get that every 2 day. It's not enough to make us quit our home since we want to eventually dig into PVP one day but I must admit that I feel less secure doing PVE now.

What about you guys? Care to share your experience so far?

2 anoms spawned in my system in a whole week. It's really easy to keep track since the sig IDs persist across downtime.

I've seen a couple of statics full of anoms, but also full of wormholes, so we didn't have enough scouts to run them with reasonable safety. Seen some statics that have nothing good in them, too.

I am extremely negative on this change. I thought it was very obvious this patch would hugely increase risk without giving any extra incentive/reward. Seems that is even more true than I thought, because no anoms spawning in my system, must mean few other C4 residents are utilizing their PVE content?


At least my PI still works. I no longer do any hauling from the POCOs without first putting up scouts, though; because I know you PVP guys will get hungry when corps begin moving out. When there is nothing but Epithals on the killboards of all low-class systems, maybe CCP will analyze their data and decide these are popular PVP vessels and need to have material requirements increased. Good thing I stocked up on Epi hulls!

Well pre patch I allready knew that we would be having a c5 static as it was on sisi,
And due to having lived in c5-6 almost all of my wh life this was not a hinderence as such
I have allready noticed that a vast majority if c5 space was full of empty to farming systems with a hand full of pvp corps/alliances,
They were my main problem of how to deal with them or how to close a 3b wh with 2-5 people only,

But the rewards of having a good probability of a dead silent c5 was a good risk we can't fight them but we can ninja c5 sites or even risk marauder anoms maybe and the bad chance of a pvp wh we most probobly have to go covert ops and ninja pvp or not bother leaving the pos, but the risk reward of the ninja c5 sites and the good possibility of dead systems was worth the risk.

When patch day appeard it was hell soo many connections I'd spend half the night scanning then eve time was over and time to log, others in corp felt the same as the risk of cloasing whs wasn't a good risk as n time
To close = not enough eve time so scanning chain could possibly give us some pvp opertunitys.

But found all our chains dead c3s c4s and even c5s and c2s :( I did start to hunt a buzzard to realise it was noho and the undecided to carry on the chase as I know them and that it was a good possibility the c6 I was about to jump intones either Polaris or their static and back up wasn't to far away, whilst doing deep chain pvp scanning.

After that whs got a little better as in spawn rates we currently have a **** load of sites in our system but unable to run them, as either we have a k162 wich means we need to cover at least 3 whs to run sites or soon as we start we get a connection then can't, if that happans we need to treat ll outgoings as triggerd and then spend at least 45 min rolling whs before anything.

Currently the spawn rate has dropped but to roll whs for pvp or to safely secure the wh is almost not worth it! Yesterday was the first day since patch day we could run sites as we knew the statics were fresh and we had no k162s for that period but after 1st site we had a incoming so it stopped, this was a c2 and the odds were 2v5 which I didn't mind but then realised I really need to get more bs for pvp or hacs :( gutted.

I'm on the fence at the mo as there is allways a pattern in c4 space a week if busy connections followed pvp time then a lul in connections = pve/re supply times, on that note re supply times we'd defo need a Indy frig hauler lol.

The risk reward in c4space is almost at the point of hell maybe we should move to c5 space but then same probs with pew outnumberd and trying to roll a hostil wh with 5guys for pve or even rolling to lock out a majority of there fleet is exactly the same as we are now.

These frig desists in my mind should stay in ktok space only the re spawn rate of random connections so far unsure off, risk reward if c4< is no where near the mark for risk reward and tbh the ribbons issue is not the problem I think it should be a buff in blue books to composate, reason I say this is becouse the market is the sole isk for that where as npc prices can't be influenced by the Indy patch killing the market at the moment the market is all over the place due to stock piled stock, untill that's settled prices would go up for t3s production, on a flip side if it Carrys on as it is ribbons prices will go up or be soly dependent in big corp alliances for there pve activitys.

Overall I'm disappointed in most of the changes. We got a C6 as our new static which has been pretty much meh. So far it has been empty or 5 man farming corps.

Honestly I personally haven't run any anoms since prolly late June. I spend most evenings roaming the chain hoping for something I can engage (obviously without much success).

The frigate WH's are just annoying. I really don't see their point.

The delayed k162 IMO has backfired. So far I'd have to guess that most of the k162's that show up are ones that people warped to but never jumped through. Because I have jumped on new ones only to find the adjacent system completely quiet.

We have had more connections than usual, which I wouldn't mind, except I haven't seen a soul in them. Since the patch I have been on roaming around an hour each night and have run into a total of 5 pilots. 4 of which were ship spinning until they logged.

While I know anoms are partially RNG, I do also believe they are tied to regional (or constellation?) activity. In my years living in WH's the spawn rates seemed to pick up when more people were playing EVE. In the last week we had 2 combat anoms total, and nothing new has spawned. Leads me to believe not much farming is going on at all.

I have lived in WH's for most of my EVE life. I live in WH's because I just love the environment. But I am becoming tired of the ghost town it is becoming. And that is saying something coming from a C4 resident. Honestly I had better luck prior to the API kill changes when we only had a static C4 finding people online to shoot at.

You really should have trigger them all and wait 24h. This must be exceptional really...

Oh, you again. Its not 50 of us so its tough to roll while guarding everything. Plus frig holes, which we get for some reason 1 to 3 almost every day, are tough to collapse arent they?

WEll we have only really bad experience with closing down connections. Even at one point scouted hole gave us crapton of cloaky T3 surprises. Closing single one is fine. Closing four or more is not really an option unless you are willing to lose ship and pod. And with added no-site policy TM by CCP, I can roll hisec mining to replace that.

the frig holes to null and LS would be hilarious indeed. Albeit we´ve seen quite a few people in them, strolling around.

I'm already nostalgic for the times where I could log on and always find something to do in the chain. Now I find myself logging off when I take a look at siggy. Not enough people during the day to justify leaving the shields in anything that is not cloaked and nullified. And it's not like we can't pull numbers either, we can field like 11 or more ships during the weekends and over a half of that during weekday evenings. And all of us are pvp focused, we are not bears.

The amount of wormholes and frigate links are the only things I don't like about this expansion. The C5 static isn't even THAT BAD. Would have been better to have something bellow that.

The frigate wormholes seem odd as well, I expected them to be a new type of wormholes, like C0.5 with challenging frigate content and adequate rewards, did not expect them to be simple link limitations...

TL;DR - we've been pushed in the same aquarium as the larger corporations/alliances. We can't operate.

Not all the posts are saying that at all.

I don't mind more connections if it was good for something. I flew through 16 systems last night in our chain. In total I saw one astero briefly on dscan.

I must say that I never saw ships on D-scan in my chains after the patch (meaby 1 buzzard that was scouting). Can't say wh are dying yet cause it was kinda empty before the patch too.

People usually do their stuff for a few hours and log off for the day. They don't stay online during all day cause you run out of content and/or you get bored or rolling for content. (not complaining, we are doing exactly the same thing. We all have alts to do other stuff in k-space)