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Basic Guide to use Siggy, Corp Bookmarks and Sharing bookmarks
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Architeuthis Rex
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#1 - 2014-09-03 00:57:33 UTC
Just wrote a guide for basic Siggy use and bookmarks for corp and sharing them between alliance members.

Hope it helps (not a joke post like my last blog)

http://thewormholehitchhiker.blogspot.com/2014/09/the-wormhole-hitchhikers-guide-to-siggy.html

um yeah... who ever completely wrecked the chain map and turned it into a giant penis... don't. - Angel Riot
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#2 - 2014-09-03 03:45:37 UTC
You do realise your corporation's bookmarking system is a complete joke? I may not have mentioned it to you before.

The system BUGRY uses is this simple:


  1. Anything that leads home, is named Home. This way, you always know which way is home. It's that munging simple. There's no arrow to screw up, it doesn't matter if home goes via a k162 or a Z060. Home is home, is home.

  2. Every wormhole which does not lead home is named as you see it. eg; a B274 is a B274. A K162 is a K162.

  3. Name a K162 by what it goes to. eg; K162 Lowsec, k162 Nullsec, K162 C2, etc. Yes, you may have to have some skill in picking a wormhole colour! There's a colour guide link in corp bulletins.

  4. Any subsequent K162's to the same space are named K162 C2 2, K162 C2 3, etcetera.

  5. If you have two statics of the same type, eg, two B274's, you name them accordingly; B274 and B274 2

  6. And, now Hyperion is here and we have stupid frigate wormholes, and K162's are a lottery of death to your probing Loki, you confirm they are a frigate wormhole and name any K162's which are this damn lame, K162f. And subsequent ones likewise.


Tada!

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Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#3 - 2014-09-03 04:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Angsty Teenager
Trinkets friend wrote:
You do realise your corporation's bookmarking system is a complete joke? I may not have mentioned it to you before.

The system BUGRY uses is this simple:


  1. Anything that leads home, is named Home. This way, you always know which way is home. It's that munging simple. There's no arrow to screw up, it doesn't matter if home goes via a k162 or a Z060. Home is home, is home.

  2. Every wormhole which does not lead home is named as you see it. eg; a B274 is a B274. A K162 is a K162.

  3. Name a K162 by what it goes to. eg; K162 Lowsec, k162 Nullsec, K162 C2, etc. Yes, you may have to have some skill in picking a wormhole colour! There's a colour guide link in corp bulletins.

  4. Any subsequent K162's to the same space are named K162 C2 2, K162 C2 3, etcetera.

  5. If you have two statics of the same type, eg, two B274's, you name them accordingly; B274 and B274 2

  6. And, now Hyperion is here and we have stupid frigate wormholes, and K162's are a lottery of death to your probing Loki, you confirm they are a frigate wormhole and name any K162's which are this damn lame, K162f. And subsequent ones likewise.


Tada!


You do realise your corporation's bookmarking system is a complete joke? I may not have mentioned it to you before.

>using the WH name in the bookmark.

l0l, it's p much irrelevant m8 you're just as bad as the OP probably (I didn't actually read it because who cares). Your bookmarks should be as short and as clear as possible, cluttering them up with multiple letters/numbers that are irrelevant makes no sense from both an asethetic and clarity point of view. Furthermore, your naming strategy doesn't make it clear which wormhole you are currently in with respect to the rest of the wormholes in your chain, which is important when you have really long chains and you need to know where you are.

In fact, I think with your strategy it's impossible to figure out that information when you are going back "home" since you just following the bookmarks "home" and when you jump in you see only "K162 C2" and you never get any clue into which class of wormhole you just jumped or how far along the chain it is.

Your system is dumb. How could you possibly tell anybody where to go effectively and fast? You have no unique moniker for each system, so you have to tell them the path rather just the wormhole's name and then they use mapping software to figure out how to get there instantly without having to wrap their head around your stupid instructions.

To OP: I skimmed your blog. Your system is bad as well. why use 3 characters for direction when you could use just one? The way I do it (and many others) is to simply prepend any bookmarks that head home with the character * or some variant. It's obvious, clear, and more importantly it places that bookmark at the top of your bookmarks list always so you can just hit the top bookmark each time knowing you're heading home. You don't even have to read the bookmark if you don't want to. That's how good it is.

You shouldn't include the sig ID because that can be figured out by looking at the location of the bookmark in space on the map. You shouldn't include the WH name because in 95% of cases it's obvious from the types of wormholes the WH transverses, and it's virtually never relevant. Mass changes on the wormhole should be noted on the bookmark seperately if that's why you have the name on there.

If you do that though, you have nothing left in your bookmarks. Basically they're just points in space, they don't tell you anything, and that's the problem with your system. Sure you can interpret what class of system in you're in right now from the WH names, but that's a step you shouldn't need to do. Just have your bookmarks look like "current WH class > other WH class" and append a letter of the alphabet to each WH to give it a unique name.

So you could have a chain looking like:

c6home > c5a > c2a > hsa And it's clear that you have your c6 home with a c5 exit that has a c2 exit that has an exit to highsec.
Your bookmarks would be c6home > c5a, c5a > c2a, c2a > hsa, and backwards (to your home wormhole), *hsa > c2a, *c2a > c5a, *c5a > c6home.

If you have multiple c5 exits in your c6home, you would have c5a, c5b, c5c, c5d etc... I personally reserve the letter "s" for static wormholes so I know which wormholes are guarunteed to not be dead ends, but it really doesn't matter.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-03 11:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: O'nira
Best way i have seen personally is "home" to c2a, c2a to c2b, c2b to c5b and so on. then holes leading back to home are c5b bt c2b, c2b bt c2a, c2a bt "home".

bt=back to

the bt makes it so its at the top of the list when you right click in space.

can also replace to with > for same result


you want to avoid complexity when you are making these systems or people will be really put off scanning your chains.
O'nira
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-09-03 11:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: O'nira
double posts are fun
Mcpate
Unknown Means Unknown Consequenses
#6 - 2014-09-03 11:54:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Mcpate
I've seen all types of book conventions. Any of them work well as long as EVERYONE in corp actually uses the same. Some people are either too lazy or to stupid too follow any convention. YOU know WHO you are!

I never did give anybody hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell. Harry S. Truman
Meytal
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-09-03 13:03:34 UTC
Mcpate wrote:
I've seen all types of book conventions. Any of them work well as long as EVERYONE in corp actually uses the same. Some people are either too lazy or to stupid to follow any convention. YOU know WHO you are!

Talk about the most true statements on these forums!
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2014-09-03 13:57:37 UTC
My experience is that the people who whine the most about the naming conventions for bookmarks are the same people that couldn't probe their way out of Polaris (the K-space one).

I used to rename my BM's to **** like (wh-wh) for those people, since they couldn't be assed to bother to even look in people and places to figure **** out.

Maybe some wormholers like spoon-feeding other corps' shitcunts, but it was never really my thing.

Anyway, just to add my .02 isk, here's how I name BM's (when I'm not trolling THOR/DICKX).

#μμ - leads back to current home system
all others: (system type) (unique ID)

So, if there's only one hisec in system, it COULD just be named hisec. We have siggy, so only idiots and Keten need that explained.

If there is more than one, I'll name them Hisec 1, Hisec 2, etc. while I'm scanning, just to keep them clear. Once they've been jumped they become named "Hisec Jita" "Hisec Amarr".

For wh-wh bm's, I used the last 3-4 digits of the WH Jsig to mark the BM as such:
"C6 934"

This makes it clear from the siggy map where you are going.

It's also important to include a DTG on any holes that you might keep awhile. Specifically I like to put it on my static, and any other home WH's I might have found while they were spawning. They get named like such:

C5s 1856 9/3 (the "s" disambiguates between various C5's in system, for rolling/control purposes.

I hope you enjoyed my system.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2014-09-03 14:07:23 UTC
The INSRT BMing scheme is cancer x.x

RLLO does it the same as Angsty and that's by far the best way I've seen yet to do BMs. Super short and easy as **** to figure out.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Architeuthis Rex
We Aim To MisBehave
Wild Geese.
#10 - 2014-09-03 14:15:06 UTC
Maybe our bookmarking system isn't optimal, but it works for us, I do like Angsty Teenager's way of putting a symbol before the WH on the way home so it is always at the top. The easier the system, the better I guess, but our way works well for us.

We have had new recruits to the WH recently, so I thought I would write a guide for them the way we do it. There are a few good points other people have brought up in this thread. If this allows people to get settled easier in a WH then all the better. The more people who move into WH space the better.

um yeah... who ever completely wrecked the chain map and turned it into a giant penis... don't. - Angel Riot
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-03 14:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: MooMooDachshundCow
Andrew Jester wrote:
The INSRT BMing scheme is cancer x.x

RLLO does it the same as Angsty and that's by far the best way I've seen yet to do BMs. Super short and easy as **** to figure out.


Lol, says the guy who doesn't like siggy because "It's not pretty"......

EDIT: Actually, I should start using the C5a, C5b system more. I think I'll use that instead of the 3-4 number Jsig ID.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#12 - 2014-09-03 20:11:26 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/UarfcK7.jpg

I like my corps BM system. Gets a tad confusing once you get to wh 657738 but once you are that far down the chain almost any system is gonna be kinda confusing.
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
#13 - 2014-09-04 03:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Tronic
Icarus Able wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/UarfcK7.jpg

I like my corps BM system. Gets a tad confusing once you get to wh 657738 but once you are that far down the chain almost any system is gonna be kinda confusing.


Quick everyone!
Get to WH 11111!

......

Wait, was that 11111 or 111111?
......

Where is everyone? I'm In WH 11111111.

Wrong wh dude.
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#14 - 2014-09-04 07:01:41 UTC
http://puu.sh/bkIp2/075d392a4b.png

We use chain designations as well to quickly delete entire chains from bookmarks. Any other wh coming in our out of Prime(Home) gets a new chain designation just like a wh would. If we roll that chain you sort bms by name and delete all the 'a's or 's's

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#15 - 2014-09-04 09:16:28 UTC
(origin wh class) > (destination wh class) (sig id)

So for example, for a wh leading from a c2 to a c3:
c2< c3 tfq
Where the < or >indicates the direction; the above means that the wh originates in the c3 and the k162 side is in the c2.
The sig id is important to quickly check which wormholes are still there without warping to them if I come back later. At the same time it makes every wh bookmark unique in case you have more than one connection to the same class of space.

If a wh is already end of life or crit when it is found, I add that info like this
c2< c3 EoL CRIT tfq
though I don't bother updating the BM when it becomes EoL later.

For the way home I put a * in front of it, for reasons others have already posted.

That's the basic system. If I feel like it, I sometimes add more optional info after the essential stuff. For example, if a wh is deep down a chain originating from a certain hisec system, I might put the name of the hisec system through which I came into that chain at the end of it, like
c5> c4 ert Maurasi

The approach to name systems "c5a", "c5b" is inferior IMO, although it's quite popular. It gives a second arbitrary name to something that already has a unique name in the game, and that is inherently without sense. When referring to a system, it is better to just use the last three digits of its J identifier. AHARM does (or did) it this way, and I kept this habit.

edit: Had to put useless empty spaces after the < character because otherwise the forum software thinks I'm using HTML in my post. How about just encoding HTML characters like any other software developed in this millenium does? Lol.

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