Wormholes

Im not praising Chitsa at all, he was always more focussed on the publicity of w-space than solutions, but his post election communication was better.

please do not make assumptions for what i did or didnt do, I dont need to say i support him. Corbexx knows we voted for him anyways his blog: http://corbexx.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/mother-of-bob-hyperion-changes.html says how he feels. and please if you are going to throw mud or tell me what to do, don''t do it as a useless npc alt (please read Corbexx his blog i linked for info on those, if you do live in w-space then post with the one).

The CSM should provide info what he can do, and what is happening when hes allowed, and the lack of feedback from CCP isnt his fault, nor can he demand it.

at least your last paragraph i can agree with, but still people overall would like to see CCP at least hands on with chats than the part of that it's to late to fix.

perhaps you have a different definition of trashing, in the other thread, i clearly pointed out Corbexx needs to deliver the figures, and i do have contact with him.

also with the amount of trolls, and especially ones who do not live in W-space, who are more for the changes than the ones living them down, It's handy to show who you are , if you want to be taken serous,.

Baiting me on understanding that, sure if you want to keep it hidden, just mail me your char then, if you want a discussion, but this isnt about the CSM, or Corbexx, this is about W-space changes that already have negative consequences on corps.
and the point is that we want some feedback, or even more changes to counter the attrition of people in W-space.

Doesn't matter how many sites people got if they to anxious to run them ,due to to many holes to cope with. They should encourage acticvties in wspace, and it would increase content for everyone in the long run. Place the sandbox in the middle of the highway and tell people to play in it, not very encouraging.

Comparing our old chain maps from before patch with the ones after, its just ridicilous.

Wow so many wormholes connecting to our system, constant pew. Is 7 connecting holes the new norm?

Still waiting for POS Changes :) "The Horror"

Indeed. Apparent heaven for pvp, hell for pve.

That's a really good way to look at it. Wormhole space is easy to understand (if you try), has relatively few mechanics, and very few timers. It's easy. It's just exceptionally deadly because your environment can change when you're not looking.

One key defining characteristic is that the landscape, the neighborhood, is constantly changing as a natural game process (liken that to PvE). Another key defining characteristic is that you can change that landscape behind your opponent's back (liken that to PvP). Just like we consider market warfare to be PvP, using wormhole mechanics against your target is also PvP, whether it's done by bears to create a false sense of security or by hunters trying to trap bears. I'm sure most of us have stories of combat rolling in the middle of a pitched battle to try to divide your opponents forces (or having it happen to you).

CCP should embrace this second key aspect of wormhole space, even if it means their Nullsec masters get stuck or shot. Those things can all be remedied or even outright avoided anyway by doing what we have to do: use scouts and bring "friends" (or multiple accounts).

The ability to change the environment isn't one-sided. The mechanics are easy to understand (again, if you try), and anyone can do it. Whether you have the supporting numbers to do it successfully is another matter (again, bring "friends"). But it's not a lop-sided mechanic that warrants change. The only reason to change is if you want to artificially restrict what you can do in the sandbox to try to prevent or encourage specific behaviour.

Thinking about it, most of the problems and crying in the game tend to spring forth out of the desire to shoehorn single-player activity into a game that really wants to be multi-player more than any other game I've ever seen. That's something else CCP should encourage: more people means more subs which means more income for them.

Unless they're trying to allow Nullsec to affect all regions of space yet be affected by none, except when they desire it. Recent patches have worked really well to that purpose, intended or no. Whatever happened to "HTFU, this is a dangerous and multi-player game"? Does it not apply to all aspects of the game anymore?

When our Alliance/Coalition found out that C4s were going to get an extra static, we got excited. We used to live in a C2 with a C3 and HS static, and now, within a week of Hyperion, moved into a C4, with a C2/C4 static. We now have huge chains, and are finding pew, as well as plenty of sites to run. We run an armor fleet with reps. We do not close all the holes, we happily farm in our static that has connections open. We put scouts on the holes. We welcome people to try and shoot us, as then we can shoot back or warp back and reship into something a little bit better for PvP if necessary.

Wormholes are risk vs reward, though in the 4 months I've been living in WH space (not that much experience) we have never had a loss to PvE ships getting ganked. If you use watch the holes, and know what you are doing you should not have a problem.

I have not heard anyone really complain about any of the changes in our Alliance/Coalition, minus the frigate wormholes. I personally even like the changes to mass spawn, as it makes it harder and a bit more hairy if you are closing a hole. It should not be so easy.

It seems the vocal majority of these forums are WH isk farmers, I know a lot of other corps that are happy with the changes, that all are more PvP based. Yes a few things still need tweaking, a bit more reward for sites or the mining anomalies should be scanned again, as this would get miners back in their nice shiny ships.

All these raging threads about how everything is now broken will stop any new people entering WH space. The first thing people will do if they are thinking about moving the wormhole space will be to check the forums. When they see all these threads they might not decided to move in. Exactly the opposite of what I believe most people want.

Anyways, just my two '4 month wormhole experience' cents.

Sorry, probably should of mentioned that, at peak times maybe 10-15 online. It's not a huge coalition or anything.

Indeed. Controlling the w-space environment against your enemies, combat rolling and various wormhole-fu has long been a defining characteristic of wormholes that has drawn the small corps and smaller groups to wormholes and they have long thrived in the lower class holes.... that is until better income opportunities elsewhere caused a lot of holes to empty out... and now Hyperion....

Long believed that Eve needed some new versions of low/null security space where skilled use or modification of the environment could serve as a force multiplier or could be used in divide-and-conquer tactics. There's huge swathes of null sitting empty because of the broken power projection mechanics that could instead be used to build some very interesting player-controlled environments that cater to small gang warfare. And I'm not talking something so predictable like gate guns. Need some dynamic environmental variables that are changing daily or hourly, like wormholes only better. Long believed thats the future of eve aside from headline-grabbing mega blobs.