Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok so CCP has added 2 pirate faction ship lines into the game. I have noticed "older" players complaining about new players rushing to get into a Battleship. Well the reason a lot of them do that is because they get viciously bored flying frigates for months on end. I propose a Heavy Destroyer T2 for each race with armor bonus/point bonus + speed nerf? Secondly, a Non Command Ship T2 Battlecrusier. Perhaps with Speed/point bonus as well or maybe weapons bonuses of some sort?

My point is the Non Pirate factions need some love.

'complaining about' and 'calling ppl stupid for' are different things.

how are your new ships going to change the mind set of noobs wanting to get into a battleship?

Most of the time it's actually because they think the BS's look awesome.
That was my case, I only began to play EVE because I saw a trailer where I noticed the old Apocalypse, caught my eye back in 2011, been playing ever since.

Buff battlecruisers and battleships.

Destroyers are the mainstay of small gangs in low-sec (♥ my Thrasher). But a T2 Destroyer is a specialized thing like its cruiser counterpart the HIC (which is also more or less a "one-trick-pony").
I will say that DICs have become useful in their own way since they were rebalanced. Heretics and Flycatchers are quite nasty light missile slingers and the Eris can shock most cruisers with the amount of pain it can pump out.
The issue with them comes down to cost efficiency. A DIC has all the weaknesses of a regular destroyer with only nominally better combat performance at a much higher price.

Command Ships... no one brings them on field because it is much more efficient and safe to leave one off-grid, in space, away from the fighting, where they won't be primaried.

And a destroyer class Command Ship has been proposed from time to time... but the general feeling is that they will not be introduced unless/until CCP finds a way to make warfare links work on-grid only (otherwise you will have a HUGE proliferation of off-grid warfare links in each and every fight to the point where it becomes "mandatory" to use them).

Why should the person who wants to fly battlecruiser class ships have less options than the person who wants to fly cruiser class? "Just because"?

To both of the posts above why should a role be confined to a ship class? To consider an iterative online game to be "At the final stage" is actually the most ignorant comment that can be made of designing a game like this. Its true that destroyers and battlecruisers are an inbetween class of ships and I will make the argument that being an inbetween class is not a healthy position for these ships to be in. They need to be a distinct class of their own. There are ways to differentiate the classes beyond just speed/tank/dps. For examlpe class specific modules as seen in the past and more recently with the micro jump drives. While I dont think that is the most elegant solution it does have the effect of creating more noticeable differences in classes.

To the comment about marauder frigs I consider marauders to be the "built for combat" T2 battleship and would be in this progression

Assault Frig > (Missing Destroyer) > HAC > Command Ship > Marauder

Even though the Command Ships are designed for links they still have a full set of bonuses to combat stats with link bonuses being somewhat glued on at the end.

because if that is the case why do i pick anything for a reason other then i can't afford the bigger one
eve is not about the bigger ship is better its about the right ship for the right job

*sigh*

You ignore given arguments (because too stupid or unwilling) and then upon being called out on it, demand arguments should be given to validat this observation. You see the problem, right ?! If you are unable to recognize arguments, that does not mean they do not exist or weren't given, it simply means you are unable to see them and further engagement with you is like talking to the wall, which I have practiced enough - and must admit, I got more productive results doing so from any kind of Wall.
You even 'demanding' arguments (thereby suggesting none existed/were given at all) and not even calling them bad arguments shows your ignorance and incapability to see anything beyond your tainted and limited perception and comprehension.

Any further discussion with you is futile, good day Sir (You may take that as a victory ).

PS: Two further questions (No, not to discuss with you, I am dne, more for you to consider and research), you do understand the scientific method, right ? And the burdon of proof and who is making the claim in this case and has said burdon?!

One simple point here: I have never folwn a BS, BC is the largest ship class I have and rarely use that. I have lots of fun in the smaller ship classes predominantly frigs and cruisers. The only ship class I would like added outright would be tech II destroyer, but that's still a small ship.

In my experience so far the smaller ships are much more fun to fly than a lumbering BS (BC is painfully slow already so I can't imagine crawling a fat-arsed BS through to a combat anom!)