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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#721 - 2014-09-03 03:49:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


1. Luckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.


Concord aren't your allies. You will still lose your PVE fit. Concord will kill the aggressor, and then move on, but the aggressor would already know this and have accepted it. They would have achieved their objective, and once again, you'd get walked all over. Concord won't save you from getting walked all over.

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2. I don't really care what Tippia things, I obviously have very different values than he does, and am happy to disagree with him.


Values are irrelevant. The nature of EVE trumps your values. You might dismiss 'what Tippia thinks' but at the end of the day, you'd be dismissing facts, ergo once again demonstrating your willful ignorance of EVE.

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3. Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered. I'm happy to say that i don't believe in them.


I told a story earlier that you plainly ignored. It was a story of an indy corp that focuses on things other than PVP, that didn't get stomped. They, unlike you, weren't ignorant of the nature of EVE, however, and they weren't chicken **** enough to roll their corp. In fact, not one person quit the corp. The corp that aggressed them, on the other hand, lost two people. One of them dropped corp while I was pursuing him through lowsec.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#722 - 2014-09-03 03:51:20 UTC
Every time you call concord your 'allies', you give CCP more reason to remove them entirely. You don't understand this, and you'll reject it due to your ignorance, but that's fine by me. You can only harm yourself with that opinion, unless you're passing it on to others in which case, you're a cancer on EVE that needs to be removed.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#723 - 2014-09-03 03:52:18 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


1. Luckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.


Concord aren't your allies. You will still lose your PVE fit. Concord will kill the aggressor, and then move on, but the aggressor would already know this and have accepted it. They would have achieved their objective, and once again, you'd get walked all over. Concord won't save you from getting walked all over.

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2. I don't really care what Tippia things, I obviously have very different values than he does, and am happy to disagree with him.


Values are irrelevant. The nature of EVE trumps your values. You might dismiss 'what Tippia thinks' but at the end of the day, you'd be dismissing facts, ergo once again demonstrating your willful ignorance of EVE.

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3. Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered. I'm happy to say that i don't believe in them.


I told a story earlier that you plainly ignored. It was a story of an indy corp that focuses on things other than PVP, that didn't get stomped. They, unlike you, weren't ignorant of the nature of EVE, however, and they weren't chicken **** enough to roll their corp. In fact, not one person quit the corp. The corp that aggressed them, on the other hand, lost two people. One of them dropped corp while I was pursuing him through lowsec.


1. More power to them if they can drop me fast enough. I usually just encounter the flashy yellow "space junk collecter" folks who can be ignored or trolled, but definitely not shot :)
2. Tippia has precisely 0 to teach me.
3. How inspriring, the vast, vast majority of these wars end in slaughter of the noobs. I'll pass.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#724 - 2014-09-03 03:53:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Every time you call concord your 'allies', you give CCP more reason to remove them entirely. You don't understand this, and you'll reject it due to your ignorance, but that's fine by me. You can only harm yourself with that opinion, unless you're passing it on to others in which case, you're a cancer on EVE that needs to be removed.


Well, you are free to hold your opinions, and i will continue to hold mine.
Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#725 - 2014-09-03 03:53:36 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

1. Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc...


It's a single-shard game. Any time I want, I can probe down your mission and PVP you. I run missions too, but I run them in PVP ships. You can't do the same to me, because if you tried, I'd ruin you.

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2. A rather strange statement - I think you are the clueless one, but whatever.


Tippia has been around EVE for a very long time, long enough to develop a deep understanding of EVE and its nature. You have not. What you just did is called projection, but it's also a side-effect of Dunning-Kruger - you do not know better. You have, in fact, repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance of the nature of EVE, and do so every time you roll a new corp.

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3. I think my advice is great...and I continue to believe that non-pvp highsec corps have little value. Feel free to disagree.


Your advice is poison. There is no such thing as a non-pvp corp in a pvp game, and the fact that you are starting from this premise makes your advice based on it poisonous, because people will begin to think they should be safe from PVP in this PVP game. This is not disagreement, this is a fact based on the nature of EVE.


1. Luckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.
2. I don't really care what Tippia things, I obviously have very different values than he does, and am happy to disagree with him.
3. Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered. I'm happy to say that i don't believe in them.



Concord...Concord is like the rl police. They prevent nothing and never show up until someone is already dead. Sooner or later you will have to either face what Eve is truly about, or become another casualty of it. Besides...I'm VERY sure there are a lot of players out there that would have no issues with ganking you...no war dec required. My advice, either play the game, or play something else. But I don't suppose you take advice well per reading this thread. Blink

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#726 - 2014-09-03 03:55:44 UTC
Kaely Tanniss wrote:



Concord...Concord is like the rl police. They prevent nothing and never show up until someone is already dead. Sooner or later you will have to either face what Eve is truly about, or become another casualty of it. Besides...I'm VERY sure there are a lot of players out there that would have no issues with ganking you...no war dec required. My advice, either play the game, or play something else. But I don't suppose you take advice well per reading this thread. Blink



Exactly....in highsec you just need to survive until CONCORD kills the gankers - that is the game, and I'm happy to play it.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#727 - 2014-09-03 03:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaely Tanniss wrote:



Concord...Concord is like the rl police. They prevent nothing and never show up until someone is already dead. Sooner or later you will have to either face what Eve is truly about, or become another casualty of it. Besides...I'm VERY sure there are a lot of players out there that would have no issues with ganking you...no war dec required. My advice, either play the game, or play something else. But I don't suppose you take advice well per reading this thread. Blink



Exactly....in highsec you just need to survive until CONCORD kills the gankers - that is the game, and I'm happy to play it.


That is not the game at all. Your perspective is ignorant.

There is one substantial difference. Unlike the real police, Concord will come whether they're called or not. I propose that is changed, that you have to call concord before they do ****.

But, if you want to go ahead and believe that Concord are your friends, go right ahead. Personally, I prefer to make real human friends but some people do struggle with that, I understand.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#728 - 2014-09-03 03:57:42 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
All I need to do is survive long enough for my CONCORD allies to take you off the grid.
Too bad that they won't do that. After all, no crime is being committed…

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Laughable.
No, it's quite sad how little you know of or understand about the game. It's even more sad how you steadfastly refuse to listen and learn from those with actual experience and insight into the proven strategies and mechanics that are in operation. For instance, you have no idea what I'm talking about in the point above when I mention PvP. That is how unfamiliar you are with the game that you aren't even cognisant of one of its main component.

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righto, feel free to join one.
You're six years too late.

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Tippia has precisely 0 to teach me.
You are confusing the fact that you are unwilling to learn with the fact that there is an unimaginable amount of things you could be taught if you just wanted to.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#729 - 2014-09-03 04:11:39 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
All I need to do is survive long enough for my CONCORD allies to take you off the grid.
Too bad that they won't do that. After all, no crime is being committed…

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Laughable.
No, it's quite sad how little you know of or understand about the game. It's even more sad how you steadfastly refuse to listen and learn from those with actual experience and insight into the proven strategies and mechanics that are in operation. For instance, you have no idea what I'm talking about in the point above when I mention PvP. That is how unfamiliar you are with the game that you aren't even cognisant of one of its main component.

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righto, feel free to join one.
You're six years too late.

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Tippia has precisely 0 to teach me.
You are confusing the fact that you are unwilling to learn with the fact that there is an unimaginable amount of things you could be taught if you just wanted to.


1. If you shoot at my mission ship in highsec, a crime is committed, and I just need to last long enough for my CONCORD allies to save me.
2. I am quite familiar with the game and good at it, and don't really care what you think
3. Enjoy, I'm quite happy with my 1-man corp.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#730 - 2014-09-03 04:13:39 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

2. I am quite familiar with the game and good at it, and don't really care what you think


Which is exactly why you didn't know how gate guns and facpo work, right?

You're about as familiar with this game as my 3 year old is with particle physics. Not only does she know absolutely nothing about it, it is totally beyond her ability to comprehend.

And you have demonstrated that repeatedly.

And I just realized who you are. You are Divine Entervention's new alt.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#731 - 2014-09-03 04:15:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you shoot at my mission ship in highsec, a crime is committed
…but we're not talking about shooting anything here. No crime is committed; CONCORD does not save you.

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I am quite familiar with the game and good at it
You have proven both of those to be untrue. Everything you say about the game is wrong. Every example you give about how you play it demonstrates incompetence and lack of understanding.

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Enjoy, I'm quite happy with my 1-man corp.
Good for you. Whether you enjoy it or not is not a good reason to grief newbies like you do.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#732 - 2014-09-03 04:20:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If you shoot at my mission ship in highsec, a crime is committed
…but we're not talking about shooting anything here. No crime is committed; CONCORD does not save you.

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I am quite familiar with the game and good at it
You have proven both of those to be untrue. Everything you say about the game is wrong. Every example you give about how you play it demonstrates incompetence and lack of understanding.

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Enjoy, I'm quite happy with my 1-man corp.
Good for you. Whether you enjoy it or not is not a good reason to grief newbies like you do.


1. My response was to the comment from the other guy saying gankers could come kill my PvE it.
2. Again laughable, keep holding your breath and trying, but it still won't be true.
3. Don't really care what you think. I run missions with people, help new players, etc...Not really looking for validation from you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#733 - 2014-09-03 04:25:49 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My response was to the comment from the other guy saying gankers could come kill my PvE it.
No. It was in response to the comment that someone would come and PvP you in your mission.

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Again laughable
No, your adamant refusal to learn anything about the game is still very sad. What makes it sadder still is that you are trying to hand that wilful ignorance down to new players. Your continued and very explicit demonstrations of your ignorance are almost tear-inducing.

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Don't really care what you think.
…and that's where the vast majority of your problems start.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#734 - 2014-09-03 04:29:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
My response was to the comment from the other guy saying gankers could come kill my PvE it.
No. It was in response to the comment that someone would come and PvP you in your mission.

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Again laughable
No, your adamant refusal to learn anything about the game is still very sad. What makes it sadder still is that you are trying to hand that wilful ignorance down to new players. Your continued and very explicit demonstrations of your ignorance are almost tear-inducing.

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Don't really care what you think.
…and that's where the vast majority of your problems start.


1. So what other PvP were you planning? A discussion of Aristotle? My impression was lock up my ship and shoot at it.
2. Ha! You are at least good for laughs.
3. Oh dear, I'll just have to find a way to manage.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#735 - 2014-09-03 04:30:59 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what other PvP were you planning?
I'm going to have to ask you at this point: do you understand what “PvP” means?

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Ha! You are at least good for laughs.
I'd be an even better source of information and knowledge if you were just receptive to it and not so stuck in your conviction of playing the game in the most uninformed way possible.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#736 - 2014-09-03 04:37:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
So what other PvP were you planning?
I'm going to have to ask you at this point: do you understand what “PvP” means?

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Ha! You are at least good for laughs.
I'd be an even better source of information and knowledge if you were just receptive to it and not so stuck in your conviction of playing the game in the most uninformed way possible.


1. Colloquially it means player versus player combat. More generally it would involve any competitive interaction with other players, trading, manufacturing, etc....
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#737 - 2014-09-03 04:42:10 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Colloquially it means player versus player combat. More generally it would involve any competitive interaction with other players, trading, manufacturing, etc....

So let's go back to the initial concern: why would CONCORD come and help you when no crime has being committed? Your “allies” won't ally with you and won't take the PvPer off the grid — and your PvE fit certainly won't help you.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#738 - 2014-09-03 04:45:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Colloquially it means player versus player combat. More generally it would involve any competitive interaction with other players, trading, manufacturing, etc....

So let's go back to the initial concern: why would CONCORD come and help you when no crime has being committed? Your “allies” won't ally with you and won't take the PvPer off the grid — and your PvE fit certainly won't help you.


As remiel put it: "Concord aren't your allies. You will still lose your PVE fit. Concord will kill the aggressor, and then move on, but the aggressor would already know this and have accepted it. They would have achieved their objective, and once again, you'd get walked all over. Concord won't save you from getting walked all over."

How else would I "lose" my PvE fit if not by getting shot at?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#739 - 2014-09-03 04:47:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
How else would I "lose" my PvE fit if not by getting shot at?
Oh, being shot at is definitely one option (and won't necessarily spawn CONCORD), but again, being shot at is not necessarily what's going on when you're being PvPed in your mission.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#740 - 2014-09-03 04:49:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
How else would I "lose" my PvE fit if not by getting shot at?
Oh, being shot at is definitely one option (and won't necessarily spawn CONCORD), but again, being shot at is not necessarily what's going on when you're being PvPed in your mission.


So what else would make my lose my pve fit? Shooting my MTU and hoping I shoot back? I don't. what else?