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War Decs as a griefing tool

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#701 - 2014-09-03 03:16:35 UTC


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#702 - 2014-09-03 03:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Veers Belvar wrote:


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.


You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#703 - 2014-09-03 03:21:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.


You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.


Yeah, they need to work on defeating that exploit, or at least making it the less attractive option.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#704 - 2014-09-03 03:22:35 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.


You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.


Yeah, they need to work on defeating that exploit, or at least making it the less attractive option.


Well any changes to that would just mean NPC Corp ftw.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#705 - 2014-09-03 03:23:54 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Well any changes to that would just mean NPC Corp ftw.


Hence why, in my suggestion, NPC corp taxes would be doubled for anyone who has been in one for more than 30 days.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#706 - 2014-09-03 03:25:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.


You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.


Yeah, they need to work on defeating that exploit, or at least making it the less attractive option.


Well any changes to that would just mean NPC Corp ftw.


Good, you'll be right where you belong. NPCs should be in NPC corps. There are no NPCs in my corps (because now that I've liberated one I have more than one, so I can use corps the plural).

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#707 - 2014-09-03 03:26:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Whatever...I enjoy the game and intend to keep playing.


You don't enjoy it though, and as long as you limit yourself to the small portions of crumbs you do enjoy, someone will always be there to walk all over you and suck that enjoyment out. But please, do keep showing CCP why your method of dodging wardecs in the game cannot be allowed to continue in EVE online.


Yeah, they need to work on defeating that exploit, or at least making it the less attractive option.


Well any changes to that would just mean NPC Corp ftw.


Good, you'll be right where you belong. NPCs should be in NPC corps. There are no NPCs in my corps (because now that I've liberated one I have more than one, so I can use corps the plural).


Oh, no worries, I'm in a new 1-man corp for now.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#708 - 2014-09-03 03:28:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
On that note, I have a corp handy on an alt that is required for other things. I will happily provide said corp to a respectable owner, perhaps someone CODE-related who understands the nature of EVE and highsec as a part of EVE. I will not be asking for isk, but the alt which is holding this corp is, as I mentioned, needed for other things.

Please mail me in game if you think yourself capable of keeping this corp out of carebear hands and you wish to volunteer for the responsibility. Thank you.

Otherwise, if no one wants it, I'll train a new alt tomorrow to hold it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#709 - 2014-09-03 03:30:08 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
It certainly is a PvP environment because of suicide ganking.
Wrong.
it is a PvP environment because everything is PvP.

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Well, I think my points still stand.
None of your points have ever stood because they are universally founded on a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance of all things EVE-related.

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I think wars are 100% fine
…you just use them as an argument in your griefing of new players and in giving them horrible advice that hurts their ability to learn and play the game.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#710 - 2014-09-03 03:32:27 UTC
Also, due to a lack of available alts, anyone that wants to help me steal his new corp, lemme know and I will wardec him again. He'll have to either roll it, or fight it, if he wants to play the game Twisted

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#711 - 2014-09-03 03:32:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
It certainly is a PvP environment because of suicide ganking.
Wrong.
it is a PvP environment because everything is PvP.

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Well, I think my points still stand.
None of your points have ever stood because they are universally founded on a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance of all things EVE-related.

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I think wars are 100% fine
…you just use them as an argument in your griefing of new players and in giving them horrible advice that hurts their ability to learn and play the game.


1. Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc...
2. A rather strange statement - I think you are the clueless one, but whatever.
3. I think my advice is great...and I continue to believe that non-pvp highsec corps have little value. Feel free to disagree.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#712 - 2014-09-03 03:34:04 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, due to a lack of available alts, anyone that wants to help me steal his new corp, lemme know and I will wardec him again. He'll have to either roll it, or fight it, if he wants to play the game Twisted


I'm happy to impose 30-1 defeats on your any day of the week. I can come up with a lot of corp names, lolz.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#713 - 2014-09-03 03:39:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

1. Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc...


It's a single-shard game. Any time I want, I can probe down your mission and PVP you. I run missions too, but I run them in PVP ships. You can't do the same to me, because if you tried, I'd ruin you.

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2. A rather strange statement - I think you are the clueless one, but whatever.


Tippia has been around EVE for a very long time, long enough to develop a deep understanding of EVE and its nature. You have not. What you just did is called projection, but it's also a side-effect of Dunning-Kruger - you do not know better. You have, in fact, repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance of the nature of EVE, and do so every time you roll a new corp.

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3. I think my advice is great...and I continue to believe that non-pvp highsec corps have little value. Feel free to disagree.


Your advice is poison. There is no such thing as a non-pvp corp in a pvp game, and the fact that you are starting from this premise makes your advice based on it poisonous, because people will begin to think they should be safe from PVP in this PVP game. This is not disagreement, this is a fact based on the nature of EVE.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#714 - 2014-09-03 03:40:54 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc.
Missions have plenty of PvP, as demonstrated by years upon years of whines from people who had unwanted visitors come into their missions. Training skills is not gameplay.

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A rather strange statement
Yes. The truth has been proven to be a complete stranger to you.

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I think my advice is great.
That's because you are a newbie griefer. Of course you think that ruining new players' ability to play the game is great.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#715 - 2014-09-03 03:41:18 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, due to a lack of available alts, anyone that wants to help me steal his new corp, lemme know and I will wardec him again. He'll have to either roll it, or fight it, if he wants to play the game Twisted


I'm happy to impose 30-1 defeats on your any day of the week. I can come up with a lot of corp names, lolz.


I'd be achieving my objective every time you roll a corp and I claim it. That's not defeat in my book, and if your tactic is roll corp and make new one to avoid a wardec, then the score will end up being 0-x, where x=the number of corp names I stole.

My strategy is designed specifically to counter yours, so if you keep using the same one, your defeat is inevitable.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#716 - 2014-09-03 03:43:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:

1. Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc...


It's a single-shard game. Any time I want, I can probe down your mission and PVP you. I run missions too, but I run them in PVP ships. You can't do the same to me, because if you tried, I'd ruin you.

Quote:
2. A rather strange statement - I think you are the clueless one, but whatever.


Tippia has been around EVE for a very long time, long enough to develop a deep understanding of EVE and its nature. You have not. What you just did is called projection, but it's also a side-effect of Dunning-Kruger - you do not know better. You have, in fact, repeatedly demonstrated your ignorance of the nature of EVE, and do so every time you roll a new corp.

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3. I think my advice is great...and I continue to believe that non-pvp highsec corps have little value. Feel free to disagree.


Your advice is poison. There is no such thing as a non-pvp corp in a pvp game, and the fact that you are starting from this premise makes your advice based on it poisonous, because people will begin to think they should be safe from PVP in this PVP game. This is not disagreement, this is a fact based on the nature of EVE.


1. Luckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.
2. I don't really care what Tippia things, I obviously have very different values than he does, and am happy to disagree with him.
3. Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered. I'm happy to say that i don't believe in them.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#717 - 2014-09-03 03:44:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Also, due to a lack of available alts, anyone that wants to help me steal his new corp, lemme know and I will wardec him again. He'll have to either roll it, or fight it, if he wants to play the game Twisted


I'm happy to impose 30-1 defeats on your any day of the week. I can come up with a lot of corp names, lolz.


I'd be achieving my objective every time you roll a corp and I claim it. That's not defeat in my book, and if your tactic is roll corp and make new one to avoid a wardec, then the score will end up being 0-x, where x=the number of corp names I stole.

My strategy is designed specifically to counter yours, so if you keep using the same one, your defeat is inevitable.


Yawn, and I would achieve my objective by winning the isk battle 30-1, which is a win in my book. Whatever, this is a stupid conversation, let me know if you have anything else of substance to discuss.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#718 - 2014-09-03 03:45:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Probably don't agree with that. Running missions is not very PvP involved. Nor is training skills, etc.
Missions have plenty of PvP, as demonstrated by years upon years of whines from people who had unwanted visitors come into their missions. Training skills is not gameplay.

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A rather strange statement
Yes. The truth has been proven to be a complete stranger to you.

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I think my advice is great.
That's because you are a newbie griefer. Of course you think that ruining new players' ability to play the game is great.


1. Yes, but until someone else shows up, its pure PvP
2. I leave that for other to decide, suffice to say that I believe the same, if not more, applies to you.
3. I think I'm helping them avoid sinkhole highsec corps that will get them slaughtered in wars. If you consider that griefing, so be it, I don't especially care.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#719 - 2014-09-03 03:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
Luckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.
You have no allies in CONCORD and your PvE-fit ship does not help you.

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I don't really care what Tippia things
…and that is why you are perpetually uninformed. You should care. You might learn something.

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Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered.
No. That's just a myth perpetuated by those who don't know what they're talking about and who have actively decided to remain perpetually uninformed.

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1. Yes, but until someone else shows up, its pure PvP
2. I leave that for other to decide, suffice to say that I believe the same, if not more, applies to you.
3. I think I'm helping them avoid sinkhole highsec corps that will get them slaughtered in wars.
1. Correct. It is pure PvP. I know you wrote the wrong thing here, but that just means that, for once, you are actually correct.
2. That is because you are unfamiliar with all things EVE and rely on hearsay and wilful ignorance to fill in the gaps. As such, you don't know what is true and what isn't and haphazardly choose one over the other, picking the wrong one at almost every turn.
3. You're not. Largely because what you describe isn't the reality of the situation. Instead, you are griefing them by giving them advice that hampers their ability to learn, understand, and play the game. This explains why you have such problem with all those things.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#720 - 2014-09-03 03:48:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers BelvarLuckily I have my allies from CONCORD to help me, so I can run in PvE fit ships.
You have no allies in CONCORD and your PvE-fit ship does not help you.

[quote wrote:
I don't really care what Tippia things
…and that is why you are perpetually uninformed. You should care. You might learn something.

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Yawn, Highsec corps that try to focus on things other than pvp are just asking to get wardecced and hammered.
No. That's just a myth perpetuated by those who don't know what they're talking about and who have actively decided to remain perpetually uninformed.
[/quote]

1. All I need to do is survive long enough for my CONCORD allies to take you off the grid.
2. Laughable.
3. righto, feel free to join one.