My EVE

http://themittani.com/features/eve-pvp-newbies

Just because you're a newbie with under 3m skillpoints doesn't mean you can't have fun!

waaaaay ahead of you

http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html

that is the end goal ,
you can use a t1 Inkusus with fed navy antimatter and it works just fine,
infact an incursus will get you more fights than the ishkur because bears arnt terrified of the dame thing.

thanks for that!



I understand it's the 'standard', it's also extremely newbie-unfriendly. When newbies look for guides and help with fitting, this 'standard' can leave them (me?) feeling like they're unable to do much of anything. The reality is, with some mates to back you up, a newbie can go to town in a whole bunch of exciting ways, none of which require a single T2 fitting or a host of level V skills.

I'm a huge Pratchett fan, currently working my way through The Long Mars.

I know where you're coming from, the skill queues can look scary as hell. I usually make a point of suggesting people swap out T2 modules for meta items if they have insufficient skills when I post a fit.

I don't know about that. getting a tackle on a slippery opponent so your mates can finish them off is it's own brand of fun. With under 3m SP, the only thing you'll be successfully shooting solo are rocks and rats in hisec.



I agree the skillpoint system needs an overhaul. As it stands only bloody-minded, determined newbies will hang around. This game is suffering because of it.

You have an absolutely **** poor attitude.

Tackling is epic fun, it's hilarious when half the fleet starts trying to pop you from tackling their logi. And being the bait? Oh my God is that awesome. Flying around in an overtanked Maller, trying to force people to take a crack at you? That is baller.

Dps is boring by comparison. This character? A lot of the time, I fly logi for my corp, in a Guardian. I absolutely love it, and ewar is almost as much fun, with more schadenfreude to boot since I'm shutting them down myself.

Wrong, there is nothing wrong with the skillpoint system, it retains the players that are committed to eve and keeps out those who, for the most part, want instant gratification.

I came in in 2008 and by that time 2003 players already had a 5 year skill train headstart. Eve is something that takes time and why marketing PVP to the newbies is an uphill battle, it's better to teach them the ropes in PVE (how ships should be fit, what ships work well and what do not, how to use each ship to the best of their abilities, etc.) and give them an income source so that they can afford to PVP before you throw them into PVP low skilled and low experienced. Coupled with the fact that it is very difficult to turn a profit in PVP unless you're good at it and no new player is going to stick around after getting blobbed on the 3rd/4th/5th gatecamp/bubble/etc. because it's demoralizing.

Get them into the game and making isk first, then introduce them to PVP (plenty of evidence it can be done cheap).

But you're making the false assumption that they need to fly an Assault Frigate in order to PVP. It's been 6 years and i still can't fly a titan...

T1 Breacher Fit

I've killed more T2 fit T2 interceptors with that fit than i can count, the key part of that fit is minmatar frigate 5 (shield boost bonus at 7.5% per level) which last time i did it i believe was about 16 days from 1 to 5.

It does about 100dps and my missile skills are **** (i'm not much of a missle boat man).

Yet it still resulted in these kills and a load more of them if i have to show them

New players aren't trapped into what they need to skill, they can train what they like, but they're given the false idea that 'BIGGER IS BETTER' or that they need T2 everything in order to be good. Which is why you see ridiculous losses and loads of incursion runners in high sec with faction pirate battleships with meta guns and probably without the actual skill that they should have to be flying them.

What new players need to be taught is what battles they can realistically take by themselves, that if you've got an afterburner, web and scram you could probably **** up most interceptors in null sec mainly because most wont have a tank or a speed mod outside of an MWD and they'll probably burn directly at you in order to get a tackle. That if you're in low sec or null you're probably going to spend several days creating gate bookmarks but it'll be worth it in the end when you don't land in that bubble or on that smartbombing gate camp and get podded.

There's plenty more that new players SHOULD be learning, but i'm no blog writer and this post is turning into something long enough already.

The multibox point is something i've been concerned about too, having in some cases seen an entire incursion fleet of just what seems to be one guy multiboxing. I'd love to see the actual player numbers shown when logging in too rather than the 'Pilots' statistic but as you said it's kept under lock and key.

You have motivated me however to start a story/report/blog/study or whatever it's going to be called to see how viable it is for a new player to get into actual pvp (solo/small scale) and not just be a blob cannonfodder. I'm going to try and take it from a complete new player perspective (no alts, no transferring isk, having to make isk and pvp on the same character) and hopefully show new players they can pvp without the need of big ships or T2 everything and how much of a commitment they would need to be putting in in order to do it.