EVE General Discussion

Problem is though, the mind is not a separate thing from the brain. The mind is the brain. So unless the pod pilot's brain gets teleported into the new clone that wouldnt really work.

Anyway, I dont really care how this works in eve but it's an interesting subject.

Not trying to derail the thread but
if you make a perfect clone without moving the original brain into the clone, the clone appears to be and in every practical sense is exactly the same as the original. The clone has the same experiences as the original, he feels the same emotions etc. There's no difference at all between the clone and the original in everyone else's eyes, but to the original nothing changes. So if clones were used as replacements for people that die in real life, the clone would not actually save the original person. The original would still be dead but it would not matter to anyone else.

example: Your wife dies and she gets cloned. The clone is the same as always, just as human and just as real. In the end, nothing is affected.
But
If you die and you get cloned, your wife gets a perfect copy of you and nothing changes. But you are still dead. Your copy is not the same as you, to you. But to everyone else it is.

Sorry, couldnt resist.
Also I dont have the attention span to read the whole thread so I dont know if this has already been said.
carry on...

That is the case. To everyone else, you never left, but you are truly a copy.



This one is also correct.


Now that I think of it, we're not the same person everytime we drift off and lose consciousness or sleep.

Yes we are. The only thing that changes is certain parts of the brain are no longer being used for decision making or inhibition, which is why you may act differently in dreams (if you remember them at all). Unconscious does not mean not thinking, it just means you stop responding to external stimuli in a number of ways. The fact that the vast majority of humans do not remember what occurs while they are unconscious or dreaming only exacerbates the issue of people believing that.

This thread is proof why there are so few Capsuleers: Everybody that cannot cope with a body consciousness disassociation ends up mind-locked.

Actually mind disassociation is not part of the pod technology, the transneural brain scanner, infomorph psychology, and clones are all non-Jovian technology. Wetgraving is apparently caused by the human mind (and body) not being properly adapted for pod use.

I already took my medication this morning, thank you. As for your point about EVE being sci-fi and not reality, you are the one being closed minded. For some people on this planet it is an interesting mental exercise to postulate how things work in these alternative universes or conversely, show how they do not work with current information.


Edit: Reading through all your responses I don't think you have contributed a single useful post to the discussion, but have insulted multiple posters including myself. You may want to be more constructive or perhaps bow out of a conversation that you just don't belong in.

Nice grammar and spelling, and they do have medication that assists with reading comprehension for people who suffer from difficulties due to ADHD. Insulting someone's reading comprehension when the lack thereof does not exist and then not using perfect grammar and spelling while you do so is hilarious.

Ad hominem is the only thing this guy is capable of.

Is it about reality?
Or is it about and exercise of thought and potential physics in alternate universes?

It is a philosophical debate... so I'll share my thoughts on this.
You base the fact of being "alive" needs to be based on the body you "live in"... But your mind can be transferred. But then again, something which can be stored digitally, can that be called alive? A question like it is: Can artificial intelligences be called "alive"?

If you start a new character now, it's also said something like this: "your original body has been destroyed, and your mind is transferred to a customised clone", which also explains why you need to make a character body when signing up for EVE.

Capsuleers are immortal.
And the fun thing about immortals, in my opinion, is they do not live, because they can not die. Life leads to death. And if you can not die, then you also can not live.
They keep on existing though.
Which then brings us to the ultimate question: is existance equal to being alive?
I personally think "no".
If you think yes, then are asteroids and other such things also alive?

Capsuleers. They are like rocks.