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Part 1 of Making Caps worth the investment: Tech 3 Drones
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Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#1 - 2014-09-02 13:07:29 UTC
First and foremost the reason for this idea now, and i do not know if someone has already had this idea.

Lets get this idea out there because carriers dying to anything less than carrier is stupid. I mean really whats the point of having a carrier if they are unable to care for them selves, when they are suppose to be the fleet resupply/fitting area.

This is part 1 of making Caps worth the Capital investment.

Tech 3 Drones would fit similar to T3 Ships, with specialized modules for drones.

Fitting in my mind would be similar to the fitting scheme for slots as below.

The main objective of this idea is to allow carriers to fiend off minor annoyances such as med to small sized fleets flying anything less than a well fit BS.

Tech 3 Drone fitting scheme.

Amarr Caldari Gallente Minmatar
High Slots: 1 1 2 3
Mid Slots: 2 3 1 2
Low Slots: 3 2 3 1


Tell me what you think, this idea has already been released to CCP for consideration.
Anthar Thebess
#2 - 2014-09-02 13:13:44 UTC
NO.
Capitals are already way to unbalanced.
What they urgently need is a lot of work in the different direction.

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DeadDuck
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2014-09-02 13:18:47 UTC
Make Caps worth the cap investment ? Shocked

Are you serious ? Ugh

You think they are ...hmm ... underpowered ? Need a Buff ? Have you lost your carrier ratting ? Ugh
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#4 - 2014-09-02 13:21:44 UTC
Savageminion wrote:
-snip-

Yeah, let's make one of the most widely used forced multipliers even better than they already are, super- I mean great!

While we're at it why don't we give drakes 25% resists again, and roll back the nerfs to the Domi and Ishtar?

P.S. Could we havea serious discussion about how underpowered the Tengu is?

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Valkin Mordirc
#5 - 2014-09-02 13:22:39 UTC
Cap are good enough, some would say op, which can be very well argued that they are OP.

This would set Carriers and the Super Carrier into a stupidly high power level. Carriers in general are meant to be a support ship anyways, Carriers with they're Triage, and supers with the ECM. Giving them ability to deal out Damage while remote repping, or target breaking, it's absolutely ridiculous. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Valkin Mordirc
#6 - 2014-09-02 13:24:21 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
-snip-

Yeah, let's make one of the most widely used forced multipliers even better than they already are, super- I mean great!

While we're at it why don't we give drakes 25% resists again, and roll back the nerfs to the Domi and Ishtar?

P.S. Could we have a serious discussion about how underpowered the Tengu is?


I would love it, if my Tengu could be decent without sinking 2bil into a 100mn. 
#DeleteTheWeak
Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#7 - 2014-09-02 13:29:54 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
-snip-

Yeah, let's make one of the most widely used forced multipliers even better than they already are, super- I mean great!

While we're at it why don't we give drakes 25% resists again, and roll back the nerfs to the Domi and Ishtar?

P.S. Could we havea serious discussion about how underpowered the Tengu is?




Ok i get that you guys think the carriers are over powered but when in the history of anything has a carrier ever just had standard fleet issued garb, Carriers should be able to adapt to the fight and support their task force in any fight.

Really Tengu boy you apparently do not know how to fit a Tengu as it is the most over powered t3 in the game.

https://o.smium.org/loadout/11516

Add links for beast mode.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#8 - 2014-09-02 13:32:51 UTC
Savageminion wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
-snip-

Yeah, let's make one of the most widely used forced multipliers even better than they already are, super- I mean great!

While we're at it why don't we give drakes 25% resists again, and roll back the nerfs to the Domi and Ishtar?

P.S. Could we havea serious discussion about how underpowered the Tengu is?




Ok i get that you guys think the carriers are over powered but when in the history of anything has a carrier ever just had standard fleet issued garb, Carriers should be able to adapt to the fight and support their task force in any fight.

Really Tengu boy you apparently do not know how to fit a Tengu as it is the most over powered t3 in the game.

https://o.smium.org/loadout/11516

Add links for beast mode.


OP has missing the point trained to V. I'm glad someone else got it though.

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Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#9 - 2014-09-02 13:34:33 UTC
Lucky you used a forum alt, spares you all the shame of bad posting.

T3 Drones Shocked - don´t even wanna go there... Roll
Valkin Mordirc
#10 - 2014-09-02 13:35:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
If that Tengu didn't warp right on top of something, a T1 Dessie could kite that thing to death. Asides from the Scram, it has no range control and even a MWD Battleship would outrun it, if the BS was more then 10k out.

EDIT: Also you tank won't last for very long, try supplying two XL-ASB with a 440m Cargo.
#DeleteTheWeak
Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#11 - 2014-09-02 13:35:36 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
Kaerakh wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
-snip-

Yeah, let's make one of the most widely used forced multipliers even better than they already are, super- I mean great!

While we're at it why don't we give drakes 25% resists again, and roll back the nerfs to the Domi and Ishtar?

P.S. Could we havea serious discussion about how underpowered the Tengu is?




Ok i get that you guys think the carriers are over powered but when in the history of anything has a carrier ever just had standard fleet issued garb, Carriers should be able to adapt to the fight and support their task force in any fight.

Really Tengu boy you apparently do not know how to fit a Tengu as it is the most over powered t3 in the game.

https://o.smium.org/loadout/11516

Add links for beast mode.


OP has missing the point trained to V. I'm glad someone else got it though.



Actually I have bluffs to that skill, lol
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#12 - 2014-09-02 13:38:55 UTC
Savageminion wrote:
Lets get this idea out there because carriers dying to anything less than carrier is stupid.

Post your loss mail. Also, I completely disagree with the above statement. I think that cap ships should be incredibly vulnerable to subcaps if they do not have their own subcap support.

Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#13 - 2014-09-02 13:40:29 UTC
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
If that Tengu didn't warp right on top of something, a T1 Dessie could kite that thing to death. Asides from the Scram, it has no range control and even a MWD Battleship would outrun it, if the BS was more then 10k out.



I might have "Missing the point" trained to LVL V but this guy has "Missing the Obivious" trained to LVL V with links in system. Obivously that tengu is purposely built to jump on big stuff and tank them, thats why there is a low sec gate camper description. Also with a 2500 DPS rep per booster not much in the game could keep up with you. That DPS rep goes to 3500 per booster with links in system.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-09-02 13:41:01 UTC
Savageminion wrote:
Lets get this idea out there because carriers dying to anything less than carrier is stupid. I mean really whats the point of having a carrier if they are unable to care for them selves, when they are suppose to be the fleet resupply/fitting area.

Confirming that it makes no sense for carriers to die to anything less than another carrier. It's why the US Navy sends carriers out, alone, without a fleet of picket ships, cruisers, and a battleship or two; carriers are just that awesome.

Also, makes no sense for a battleship to die to anything less than a battleship, a battlecruiser to die to anything less than a battlecruiser, and a cruiser to die to anything less than a cruiser. And we should have levels. And giant spiders/rats.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#15 - 2014-09-02 13:45:12 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Confirming that it makes no sense for carriers to die to anything less than another carrier. It's why the US Navy sends carriers out, alone, without a fleet of picket ships, cruisers, and a battleship or two; carriers are just that awesome.

Also, makes no sense for a battleship to die to anything less than a battleship, a battlecruiser to die to anything less than a battlecruiser, and a cruiser to die to anything less than a cruiser. And we should have levels. And giant spiders/rats.

Frigates should never die to pods - stop making sense !
Valkin Mordirc
#16 - 2014-09-02 13:45:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
Savageminion wrote:
Valkin Mordirc wrote:
If that Tengu didn't warp right on top of something, a T1 Dessie could kite that thing to death. Asides from the Scram, it has no range control and even a MWD Battleship would outrun it, if the BS was more then 10k out.



I might have "Missing the point" trained to LVL V but this guy has "Missing the Obvious" trained to LVL V with links in system. Obviously that tengu is purposely built to jump on big stuff and tank them, thats why there is a low sec gate camper description. Also with a 2500 DPS rep per booster not much in the game could keep up with you. That DPS rep goes to 3500 per booster with links in system.



"With Links" So unless you have an alt dedicated to boosting it isn't going to happen. Making an awesome fit that needs a what? 4 month dedicated alt for boosting isn't going to be a fit everyone can use, making it a dedicated fit for a certain group. Which isn't a good fit. A fit a normal player can use without support of a booster


Also who the hell gate camps with a scram? Even with links you getting what? 14k at the most? You want be able to cover a gate with that. Even if you could with out a web, If anything tanky comes though it's just going to burn back to gate, since you don't have a web, and jump though. 500DPs isn't enough to even break a moderate tank.


Hell, if I'm wrong show me you using this experimental fit, and getting kills with soloing a gate.
#DeleteTheWeak
Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#17 - 2014-09-02 13:47:08 UTC
Komi Toran wrote:
Savageminion wrote:
Lets get this idea out there because carriers dying to anything less than carrier is stupid. I mean really whats the point of having a carrier if they are unable to care for them selves, when they are suppose to be the fleet resupply/fitting area.

Confirming that it makes no sense for carriers to die to anything less than another carrier. It's why the US Navy sends carriers out, alone, without a fleet of picket ships, cruisers, and a battleship or two; carriers are just that awesome.

Also, makes no sense for a battleship to die to anything less than a battleship, a battlecruiser to die to anything less than a battlecruiser, and a cruiser to die to anything less than a cruiser. And we should have levels. And giant spiders/rats.



Thanks for your vote of confidence, Ok so nobody likes this idea i get it.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#18 - 2014-09-02 13:52:26 UTC
Savageminion wrote:
Thanks for your vote of confidence, Ok so nobody likes this idea i get it.

Liking or disliking has nothing to do with it, which kind of sums up your whole incentive.

I can support something I dislike, but makes more sense and is right.
I can also be against something which is bad for a lot of people or institutins or just in general, no matter how mich I personally like it.

Personal preference is unwlecome in rational discussions. Which seems to be your whole basis and only reason (appart from subjective and faulty observations and assumptions).
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-09-02 14:33:59 UTC
OP, can I have some of what you're smoking?

Carriers can ALREADY fend off small fleets. AFK.

http://themittani.com/news/alod-defeated-empty-chair

And if something comes in that you can't smash yourself, light a cyno and bring in your friends to help.

If you have neither a cyno, nor friends, and someone had a gang in that can break your carrier tank, drop a depot and refit to stabs. Or smartbombs and pop the bubbles.

if you have none of those things, see what your drones can already do. If the gang is big enough and your carrier is badly fit enough to make a lossmail a real possibility, and you have taken no steps whatsoever to protect yourself (or you are AFK), then you deserve everything you get.
Savageminion
Spartan Vanguard
#20 - 2014-09-02 14:39:28 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
OP, can I have some of what you're smoking?

Carriers can ALREADY fend off small fleets. AFK.

http://themittani.com/news/alod-defeated-empty-chair

And if something comes in that you can't smash yourself, light a cyno and bring in your friends to help.

If you have neither a cyno, nor friends, and someone had a gang in that can break your carrier tank, drop a depot and refit to stabs. Or smartbombs and pop the bubbles.

if you have none of those things, see what your drones can already do. If the gang is big enough and your carrier is badly fit enough to make a lossmail a real possibility, and you have taken no steps whatsoever to protect yourself (or you are AFK), then you deserve everything you get.



True and maybe the three carriers that I helped spectre fleet destory in ceptors just was that badly fit or maybe the pilot just had no idea how to manage that ship, This was just an idea and now i have heard everyone's response to. It was a good dialog and I get it
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