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starship steering?

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Clarice Humphries
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-09-02 00:36:50 UTC
can i steer my ship? make it go left when i want it to go left? cause arrows dont work, qzsd dont work either so... is there a way to maneuvre my ship?
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#2 - 2014-09-02 00:45:29 UTC
The tutorials will give you instructions on how to make your ship move.

The tutorials are there for a reason.

Try double clicking in space.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#3 - 2014-09-02 00:46:49 UTC
Double-click in the direction you want to go (you have to pan your camera around to do this).

Also... just so you know... the reason the system works this way is because the server receives, processes, and sends each command (or series of commands) you make once per second (or 1hz). This is what allows everyone to exist in a single shard universe and take part in fights with absurd amounts of people.

For reference... most first person shooter and flight simulator games have a refresh rate that is in the miliseconds. This is why those servers can only handle an extremely finite amount of people without lagging out.
Clarice Humphries
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-09-02 00:56:00 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
The tutorials will give you instructions on how to make your ship move.

The tutorials are there for a reason.

Try double clicking in space.



the tutorials are being played,

nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

these threads are here for a reason.

thank you for ultimatly stating to double click. (hmz thought i tried that already, well ill try it again tomorow morning)
Jur Tissant
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-09-02 00:59:28 UTC
Usually when you move in EVE you'll move towards an object with 'approach' or 'keep at range' or orbit it. There are some more advanced tactics, especially for PVP, which will have you actually click towards your heading. It's not a very precise art and I can't remember the last time I used it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-09-02 01:21:36 UTC
pan camra, double click in space
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-09-02 06:15:11 UTC
If you came looking for a "star fighter simulator" kind of game, look further.


There is no WASD / Arrow key controls.



Point and click / double click, that's how you fly your ship (the point and click IS explained in the tutorials).

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Oraac Ensor
#8 - 2014-09-02 08:31:08 UTC
Clarice Humphries wrote:
nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

Yes it is.

It's in the very first tutorial that you did at your starter station, the one that teaches you basic ship movement.
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#9 - 2014-09-02 11:47:56 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Clarice Humphries wrote:
nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

Yes it is.


Well, sort of. The tutorial explains how to move the ship, but not why you can't just steer the thing. Until you know about the 1Hz server clock, it seems an inexplicable omission, and I don't think it's at all remarkable that people ask.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-09-02 12:08:18 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Clarice Humphries wrote:
nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

Yes it is.


Well, sort of. The tutorial explains how to move the ship, but not why you can't just steer the thing. Until you know about the 1Hz server clock, it seems an inexplicable omission, and I don't think it's at all remarkable that people ask.


I just don't see why people come to a game, do the tutorial and then expect the game to be different.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2014-09-02 12:11:36 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Clarice Humphries wrote:
nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

Yes it is.


Well, sort of. The tutorial explains how to move the ship, but not why you can't just steer the thing. Until you know about the 1Hz server clock, it seems an inexplicable omission, and I don't think it's at all remarkable that people ask.



Well, they explain how to move the ship (double-click over there). They don't have to tell you "well, you can't use WASD for reasons".

Same as any other game -- they tell you you can move with WASD ... but don't tell you "well, you can't move with the mouse for reasons."

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Toshiro Hasegawa
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-09-02 12:42:55 UTC
experienced the same thing when i started playing .. course there wasnt a tutorial to help me .. or a forums ... or people on TS or a voicechat ... or anyone in local (if i even knew what local was) --- so i just flew straight for a realllly really long time. Good times.

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Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#13 - 2014-09-02 14:29:11 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Well, they explain how to move the ship (double-click over there). They don't have to tell you "well, you can't use WASD for reasons".


No, the tutorial doesn't have to. But since it doesn't, and since if one doesn't know about the server clock it seems like an obvious feature, it is not surprising that people sometimes ask why that feature is missing or how to enable it, and it's ridiculous to berate them for asking.

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Same as any other game -- they tell you you can move with WASD ... but don't tell you "well, you can't move with the mouse for reasons."


And if the game is one of a sort where you would ordinarily expect to be able to move with the mouse, you might quite reasonably ask why you can't, or how to enable mouse movement.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-09-02 14:43:17 UTC
Think of it this way: you're not directly controlling your ship so much as you're commanding it. The equivalent would be not so much Freespace as Homeworld. I got confused on that point when I started, as well; it took me a bit to realize that I wouldn't be able to "take the helm" of whatever ship I was in.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2014-09-02 21:16:57 UTC
How do I manual piloting?


It is recommended to drop all assumptions about EVE based upon other games.

If you try to play EVE like another game, you will likely be met with very limited [read none] success and / or enjoyment.

Your best bet is to experiment, and to ask. Big smile This is the right place to do it, though a forum search before posting is a good habit to get into.

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Keisha Tachyon
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-09-02 21:34:20 UTC
The Server clock has been mentioned as one reason why direct control over a ship is not available.

Another more "Immersion" based reason is not directly obvious to new players: EvE ships are too slow and large to make this Kind of "fighter" like flying practical.

While you start in a frigate that at first glance can be mistaken for a fighter craft, and I admit some of the more speedy frigates may even be pilotable as such. The General eve ship behaves more like a seaborne warship than a fighter plane.

You do not do dive bombing attacks, you maneuver for an advantegeous firing position for you weapons batterys or send your drones at the enemy while trying to move into a disadvantegous Position for the enemy to shoot back.

The moment you reach cruiser sized ships these also tend to maneuver so slowly that any twitch based kind of control becomes cumbersome.

EvE ships are best seen as being commanded by the admiral on the bridge and not the lone pilot in a cockpit. (Well technically there is a lone Pilot in a capsule.... but I mean the cinematic picture...)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2014-09-02 23:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Keisha Tachyon wrote:
Another more "Immersion" based reason is not directly obvious to new players: EvE ships are too slow and large to make this Kind of "fighter" like flying practical.

Frigates are larger than an airliner, or about the size of a building.


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Oraac Ensor
#18 - 2014-09-03 00:12:04 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Clarice Humphries wrote:
nowhere in the tutorials is this mentioned.

Yes it is.

Well, sort of. The tutorial explains how to move the ship, but not why you can't just steer the thing. Until you know about the 1Hz server clock, it seems an inexplicable omission, and I don't think it's at all remarkable that people ask.

Areen Sassel wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Well, they explain how to move the ship (double-click over there). They don't have to tell you "well, you can't use WASD for reasons".

No, the tutorial doesn't have to. But since it doesn't, and since if one doesn't know about the server clock it seems like an obvious feature, it is not surprising that people sometimes ask why that feature is missing or how to enable it, and it's ridiculous to berate them for asking.
But you can "just steer the thing". You do it by double clicking in the direction you want to move.

The server clock is irrelevant; the game features a particular sort of ship movement command – why it does so is immaterial, all you need do is use the method that is provided.

Nobody is berating the OP for asking why something is missing, since they asked no such thing. They asked about controlling ship movement and it was pointed out that ALL the answers are clearly explained in the starter tutorial – and then they had the damned cheek to come back with an assertion that this is not true! I make no apology for taking offence at that.

Oraac Ensor
#19 - 2014-09-03 00:26:13 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:
And if the game is one of a sort where you would ordinarily expect to be able to move with the mouse, you might quite reasonably ask why you can't, or how to enable mouse movement.
I do not understand why anyone would "ordinarily expect" any such thing. If you come to a different game you would surely "ordinarily expect" it to have its own methods. What would be the point of having different games if they all worked the same way?

Marc Callan wrote:
. . . it took me a bit to realize that I wouldn't be able to "take the helm" of whatever ship I was in.
But you can! You do it by double clicking . . .
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#20 - 2014-09-03 02:10:31 UTC
Guys... I think we are beating a dead horse here.

Newbie asked about how to do something. Newbie got the answer plus an explanation on why it is the way it is.

If you want to discuss the merits and flaws of the tutorials take it to F&I, Jita Speakers, or Assembly Hall.
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