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Eve Online poor quality content thoughts and reality.

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Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-09-02 09:25:27 UTC
This post is mostly offtopic by purpose.
Ill reposted it in a sepatare thread in General Discussion subforum were it belongs.

I've posted it here because what I have to say may throw some light to the community of the reasons of let's say poor quality Eve expansions of CCP in last 2 years or so.

Don't get me wrong, I like most of recent changes to game mechanic, visuals, UI etc. but for a long time I have a feeling that Eve is spinning around not being able to go at any direction.

CCP have to make another milestone in Eve development of a scale of Apocrypa imo because we all get bored and irritated of that infinite bug fixing (bug creating?) fest we are given for last 2 years.

I play Eve for almost 6 years witout even a single day break in subscription time, firstly with 2 account from a begining and for last 2 years with 3 running.

I've done some digging in sh*t to see if Ill be able to get some info what the hell is going inside CCP at the moment.

First if you dont already know, CCP office in San Fran was closed and all employees from that location were dumped due to huge income dive this year ( CCP lost almost 23 mill USD $$$ on World of Darkness project which was shut down this year ).

This is what one of former CCP employee in San Fran location had to say about that:

"No focus or direction for business, products, or people. It was run more like a big boys' playground than a business. Expenditures in hiring, parties, travel, and global conferences that could not possibly be sustained based on revenues and loss of investment dollars. Simple math could project the last couple of years' lay-offs and end of WoD. WoD was used for 7 plus years to scam investors out of money to be funneled to EVE and to Icelandic leaders' hubris. The most fortunate thing about the closing the ATL office was that it happened before the illegal workplace activities were uncovered and claims were made. It may have been fun for some, but it was gender & sexually hostile and things went on there that no one should have to be subject to in the workplace."

A bit embarassing I have to say.

Let's go a little futher.

Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence:

"Idealism (inside CCP ) needs to be tempered with realism and discipline. Immature processes and failure to measure twice, cut once has led to millions of wasted dollars, countless wasted hours and many layoffs that could be avoided. Too many smart people without discipline and process creates an over empowered peanut gallery. Everyone thinks they are an expert in everything and feels entitled to offer their opinion, even when they have insufficient experience, incomplete information, and are not stakeholders. Many of the old guard employees are complacent and overly comfortable, taking a nearly academic approach and more interested in their vacations, perks, and selves."

"An ego-inflating, can't-look-himself-in-the-mirror CEO. Seriously, after so many layoffs in the past couple of years and stagnant revenue growth, why is the CEO still on the job? He would've been fired already if this were a public company. I guess the board is just as clueless."

"Management doesn't have a clue. With 5-6 layoffs now in the past 3 years, and one disastrous decision after another, you can't believe a word they say. There's zero job security and moral is at an all time worst."

"There is a culture of fear currently present within the CCP offices, and unless your job level is "Manager" or above you live in constant fear of being deemed "unnecessary". Some of the brightest flames at CCP, some of the most dedicated and passionate people have been fired. Gutting developers and support staff whilst leaving the lackluster management team largely unscathed is a horrendous business decision, the failing money situation should land SQUARELY on the shoulders of the CEO and his management team and they should take the proper steps and resign instead of continuing to gut and destroy the wonderful EVE team."

Well, its a sad picture of CCP at it's current state, but it explains why Eve looks as it is with untested patches, bug fixes that creates more bugs than fixes etc.


PS.
All CCP employees expressions were quoted.
All information above are publicly avaible and are not Company ( CCP ) trade secret nor internal use only.

Sources:
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm
Evenews24

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#2 - 2014-09-02 09:31:07 UTC
Ah, it's this time of week again.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-09-02 09:36:59 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Ah, it's this time of week again.

yes.

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[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-09-02 10:03:35 UTC
Shiptoasting in weekly Eve is Dying™ thread.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#5 - 2014-09-02 10:08:12 UTC
*sigh*

In before lock. I'm sure they'll find a reason, but I'm too tired and I've been awake too long to bother with it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2014-09-02 10:08:16 UTC
Xylorn Hasher wrote:
Sources:
Evenews24


Roll

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Mag's
Azn Empire
#7 - 2014-09-02 10:23:04 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Ah, it's this time of week again.
Indeed.

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Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#8 - 2014-09-02 10:42:35 UTC
TLDR

also

DTSABP

"Delete this **** and ban player"

"[this thread] is a cesspit of trolling and flaming" ISD Buldath

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#9 - 2014-09-02 10:43:58 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Ah, it's this time of week again.


Day, not week Sad
Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#10 - 2014-09-02 11:03:12 UTC
"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"

...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-09-02 11:13:50 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Ah, it's this time of week again.


Day, not week Sad

nah, "EVE IS DEADEDING!!11one" threads is a weekly event.

[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]

[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right

Solecist Project
#12 - 2014-09-02 11:14:20 UTC
But what if he is right?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-09-02 11:17:50 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"

...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.


Then there's the part where he cites EN24 as a 'source'.

Then there's a part where people who lose their jobs are gonna feel bitter about losing their jobs (come on, everyone here that's ever lost a job knows exactly what I'm talking about).

You give people a site where they can post reviews of a 'former' or even 'current' employer anonymously, and anyone and their dog, employed by that company or not, can do so. I'm sure that CCP and its personnel, both upper and lower, have their faults, but the fact that the company is still functioning and producing content is testament to its strength and persistence. The opinions of former employees, whether real or not, are irrelevant to that.

Also, as someone that's worked in various management positions myself, I can tell you that last quote you offered is full of ****. The jobs of lower level employees are a lot safer than those of the managers. Remember Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back? How many Stormtroopers suffered his fate for letting the Falcon escape?

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Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#14 - 2014-09-02 11:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
I stopped reading when there was no citation for the quote from the CCP employee that was stationed in the San Fran office.

EDIT: Ex San Fran Employee spotted Bear
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#15 - 2014-09-02 11:27:23 UTC
I was about to post something funny, but this thread doesn't even deserve that
Flay Nardieu
#16 - 2014-09-02 11:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Flay Nardieu
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
TLDR

also

DTSABP

"Delete this **** and ban player"


If/When others provide other sources of verification (must have documented proof even when some things are just take common sense) Fanboys won't want it known, got to love delete the truth and ban the messenger mindset ROFLMAO.

Eve isn't going to end anytime soon, quite likely it will drag on for a few years with the crap releases, corporate hype and Fanfest keggers. Some of us are trying to point out the problems to keep Eve a quality game. I have personally played MMO's that lost touch with their player base, one in particular that exceeds Eve in age of product produced by a major producer. The game is worthless now but still chugging along as "Free to Play" when it was for a long time $30 per expansion and approx $20 a month and worth it.

Players are consumers of a product and service we are entitled to call CCP out on it when even with their claims to want our feedback and having groups like CSM advising them and they short change us on quality, features and content.

For instance one of the most common 'complaint / excuse' from the Devs is about the POS code. Seriously any other software publisher would fork the code in their source management system detach the core from the interface and refactor it or in worse case instances rewrite entire chunks with a dedicated team.

Sadly CCP seems so wrapped up in its own hype that it will take them a huge hit before they get past the Colledge Kid mentality. Personally I have been raising hell about the two most recent expansion and DUST514 debacles not because I'm a hater or unable to face changes if they are really improvements. I have been raising hell because I have enjoyed playing Eve even with the aggravation of senseless ganking, trolls, scams, and griefers.

edit:
The glassdoor site cited is a review site for people interested in applying for a company in question, after reading the reviews and paying attention to the dates they where made I'd put them at above average in creditability and agree with OP's conclusion
Xylorn Hasher
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-09-02 11:33:05 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Derrick Miles wrote:
"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"

...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.


Then there's the part where he cites EN24 as a 'source'.

Then there's a part where people who lose their jobs are gonna feel bitter about losing their jobs (come on, everyone here that's ever lost a job knows exactly what I'm talking about).

You give people a site where they can post reviews of a 'former' or even 'current' employer anonymously, and anyone and their dog, employed by that company or not, can do so. I'm sure that CCP and its personnel, both upper and lower, have their faults, but the fact that the company is still functioning and producing content is testament to its strength and persistence. The opinions of former employees, whether real or not, are irrelevant to that.

Also, as someone that's worked in various management positions myself, I can tell you that last quote you offered is full of ****. The jobs of lower level employees are a lot safer than those of the managers. Remember Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back? How many Stormtroopers suffered his fate for letting the Falcon escape?


Evenevs24 was a source of CCP's Recent Financial Report.

Glassdoor is a site where employees speaks, leave feedback etc. of many companies where they are working / had worked in past, not only CCP but Goodle, Microsoft, all kinds.

I've quoted only a few things related to CCP, but you can find feedback from CCP employees dated back to 2010, so telling that's only an angry man thought who just lost a job in San Fran is simply not true.

Also CCP Financial Report is publicly avaible so google it if you dont like EVENEWS24.

For me all parts of puzzles match eachoter a lot more to recent things in Eve.

All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana consumption.

Garia666
CyberShield Inc
HYDRA RELOADED
#18 - 2014-09-02 11:34:21 UTC
Derrick Miles wrote:
"Most CCP's employees are complaying bout its Management lack of clue and lack of competence"

...followed by unattributed remarks with no credibility. If you're going to make a case against CCP, at least support it with something other than rumor-mongering.


well the last 2 who complained Joe Gallo ( head finance ) and David Reid ( head marketing ). got fired last Thursday or so.
So there is some kind of truth in his message.
Solecist Project
#19 - 2014-09-02 11:35:23 UTC
Too much mindshare, no open thoughts.


What ... if he ... is right?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#20 - 2014-09-02 11:36:41 UTC
The last few years of expansions have been some of the best CCP has ever released. Don't take your bitterness over WoD or the fact that you went FOTM chasing and got bitten for it.
I've never been happier with expansions in an MMO before.
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