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BOUNTY, KILL RIGHTS and CONCORD.

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Ashliegh Kydwr AK47
Si Kaldeori
#1 - 2014-09-02 02:38:11 UTC
I'm not new to EVE but have been gone a while.

I am confused by the bounty game mechanic and have not found the answer anywhere to my question in the forums.

Background : I was in a Crane cloaked coming into a station. I got the message that docking request was accepted as I was uncloaked by proximity to station and then I was I guess instantly targeted and blown up. (I chose the 'dock' option and was not hit by an interdiction sphere). I saw no concord activity although there may have been some I did not notice.

A couple of days before someone thought it was funny to place a 100k bounty on everyone (200+ people) in a zone I was running missions in. As a result I had a bounty on my head at the time of getting blown up. Does a bounty effect how CONCORD reacts to aggression towards you?

For the record I have never attacked another player in EVE - (I'm sure I'm missing a large part of the game) so there would be no other kill rights on me. My character is also sec level 5.0 and pretty much only hang out in high sec space running missions/exploring.

I tried to get clarification from someone in general but you know how easy that is sometimes :p.

Thank you in advance for any constructive responses.

- AK
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#2 - 2014-09-02 02:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
No the bounty makes no difference, it's a small bonus to anyone that shoots you legally or illegally and inflicts real damage, but does not give them the legal right to shoot you.

Your error in docking is that you used 'warp to 0' to the station (the 'dock' command warps you to 0 first, then docks) and in doing so, you are warped to a random location within 2500m of the station's docking ring, then you slowboat to the station, then you dock. Often your random location is inside the docking ring but this is not guaranteed. Warps always have a 2500m maximum random error.

If you use the station often, it is a good idea to set up an instant-dock bookmark (a location that is inside the docking ring by at least 2500m). Then you warp to 0 to your instadock and dock, and a predator cannot possibly lock you, let alone kill you during docking unless an interdiction bubble is deployed.

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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#3 - 2014-09-02 02:47:54 UTC
No, bounties have no effect on any aggression mechanics or concord.

Dev blog abount bounties

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2014-09-02 02:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
Background : I was in a Crane cloaked coming into a station. I got the message that docking request was accepted as I was uncloaked by proximity to station and then I was I guess instantly targeted and blown up. (I chose the 'dock' option and was not hit by an interdiction sphere). I saw no concord activity although there may have been some I did not notice.

If you are in a 1.0 to 0.5 system then CONCORD will come and kill the offending ship (but will do nothing to save you). Unless you are at war. In which case you are fair game.

If you are in a 0.4 to -1.0 system then there is no CONCORD and you are pretty much on your own.


I can't say for sure what happened though without more info (like a killmail).

Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
A couple of days before someone thought it was funny to place a 100k bounty on everyone (200+ people) in a zone I was running missions in. As a result I had a bounty on my head at the time of getting blown up. Does a bounty effect how CONCORD reacts to aggression towards you?

No. Bounties are a separate mechanic and in no way affect people's ability to engage you.

This is how the bounty system works;

If someone does not like you (for whatever reason) they can put a bounty on you.
When someone kill you, they will only get ~20% of the total value of your ship from the bounty pool or the bounty pool itself (whichever is less).

For example:
You have a 100,000 ISK bounty on your head. Someone blows up your ship worth 10 million ISK.
Hypothetically the person who killed you should get ~2 million ISK... but your bounty pool was only 100k so they only get that much.


Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
For the record I have never attacked another player in EVE - (I'm sure I'm missing a large part of the game) so there would be no other kill rights on me. My character is also sec level 5.0 and pretty much only hang out in high sec space running missions/exploring.

Having not attacked another player or done anything "wrong" in EVE does not mean you will not be targeted at some point.

IF you really were in high-sec...
IF you were indeed flying a hauler...
IF the value of what was in the hauler exceeded the cost it would take to gank you...

Then you probably got suicide ganked.
The idea behind this tactic is to blow up someone with enough value in their ship or cargohold for less than it takes to gank it (because CONCORD will destroy the ganker's ship). Of course... some people also do it for giggles too.

You can protect yourself in the future by tanking your ship... using a different ship for different sized cargos (Frigate for small stuff, Blockade Runner for valuable stuff, Deep Space Transport for medium bulk, medium value items, etc)... carrying less value worth of cargo than it takes to gank you... or having a friend scout/assist you in evading danger.
Ashliegh Kydwr AK47
Si Kaldeori
#5 - 2014-09-02 03:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashliegh Kydwr AK47
Thank you everyone for the quick and informative answers!!

Also thank you for the bookmark suggestion, I will employ that ! At least i wasn't carrying anything of value this time.

Probably for giggles it was a blockade runner I was in, and I was targeted and blown up so quickly I can't believe they had time to make the decision to do it or not. As soon as I was out of warp I heard the message that docking request was accepted. And was blown up before the message (audio) had finished :P. lol.

Fly well!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2014-09-02 03:48:06 UTC
Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
Probably for giggles it was a blockade runner I was in, and I was targeted and blown up so quickly I can't believe they had time to make the decision to do it or not. As soon as I was out of warp I heard the message that docking request was accepted. And was blown up before the message (audio) had finished :P. lol.


They're essentially playing a game of roulette for loot. BRs are unscannable (and cloaky and tough to tank), so they're commonly used to carry expensive things.

If you're flying a shield BR, I'd strongly suggest tanking it. If you're flying an armor BR in HS, I would consider the merits of tanking it.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2014-09-02 04:49:08 UTC
Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
Thank you everyone for the quick and informative answers!!

Also thank you for the bookmark suggestion, I will employ that ! At least i wasn't carrying anything of value this time.

Probably for giggles it was a blockade runner I was in, and I was targeted and blown up so quickly I can't believe they had time to make the decision to do it or not. As soon as I was out of warp I heard the message that docking request was accepted. And was blown up before the message (audio) had finished :P. lol.

Fly well!


It's not for giggles, it's a lottery ticket.

8 out of 10 Blockade Runners have very little in them. 1 out of 10 has a good deal of loot, and 1 out of 10 is a jackpot.

You can't know in advance whether your ticket is a jackpot or not, so you blow up the BR and find out.

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Ashliegh Kydwr AK47
Si Kaldeori
#8 - 2014-09-02 05:12:11 UTC

Fly well![/quote]

It's not for giggles, it's a lottery ticket.

8 out of 10 Blockade Runners have very little in them. 1 out of 10 has a good deal of loot, and 1 out of 10 is a jackpot.

You can't know in advance whether your ticket is a jackpot or not, so you blow up the BR and find out.[/quote]




Ahh, that makes sense, much better chances of winning than the real life lottery :P
Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#9 - 2014-09-02 11:52:38 UTC
Ashliegh Kydwr AK47 wrote:
Also thank you for the bookmark suggestion, I will employ that ! At least i wasn't carrying anything of value this time.


Failing that (yes, a careful player will fly an alt or shuttle over to create an instadock bookmark, but we ain't all careful players), it's worth always hitting a propulsion mod as you approach a station. If you have landed outside the ring, it reduces the window of vulnerability.
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#10 - 2014-09-03 07:26:27 UTC
If you fly a valuable but fragile ship, it might be a good idea to set up a "perching" bookmark some 200+ km off the station (ideally up or down) and warp there first to check if the station is camped, then warp to the station from there. This might also avoid you arriving at the station at a certain spot where gankers might wait for you and be able to shoot at you at point blank range.
Keep in mind that the average station is rather big and arriving from the other side will allow you still to dock and be 30+km away from a potential ganker.
For example Jita 4/4 is a rather big station and you can actually visually check this: There is large group of ships at the undock, of course, but also a visually discernible group at the Perimeter gate-Station arrival spot...

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Luwc
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-09-03 07:32:26 UTC
Check for active kill rights.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#12 - 2014-09-03 23:19:39 UTC
Nerath Naaris wrote:
If you fly a valuable but fragile ship, it might be a good idea to set up a "perching" bookmark some 200+ km off the station (ideally up or down) and warp there first to check if the station is camped, then warp to the station from there. This might also avoid you arriving at the station at a certain spot where gankers might wait for you and be able to shoot at you at point blank range.
Keep in mind that the average station is rather big and arriving from the other side will allow you still to dock and be 30+km away from a potential ganker.
For example Jita 4/4 is a rather big station and you can actually visually check this: There is large group of ships at the undock, of course, but also a visually discernible group at the Perimeter gate-Station arrival spot...



Yeah I have a 250km bookmark at one station that I often use as a reshipping point when suicide ganking. Warp my flashy red pod there, check out the station, then warp to my instadock and dock.

I've never seen anyone with a smartbomb trap on the station but it could definitely happen.

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-09-04 01:53:16 UTC
Can't you just warp to 0 on the station. Wouldn't that be the same as creating a bookmark?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-09-04 04:52:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Can't you just warp to 0 on the station. Wouldn't that be the same as creating a bookmark?

No it isn't.

Warping to 0 puts you within 2.5 km of the station. Docking range is 200m. [Stargate activation range is 2.5 km.]

The trick is that the station models are huge. You may have noticed you can approach a station to 0m then approach it some more, until you finally reach the collision surface (can be 10 km or more on some models). So you make the bookmark within that large 0m range.

I lost my Crane in Jita recently, because I accidentally warped to the station instead of my insta-dock bookmark. Completely my fault; I was distracted by looking through NES, and knew I had made a mistake as soon as I clicked warp.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-09-04 13:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Can't you just warp to 0 on the station. Wouldn't that be the same as creating a bookmark?


Tau covered it, but basically, if you warp to 0, there is a chance you will land up to 2.5k from that zero point. That's not always a problem because landing to the side or ahead of the zero point still leaves you at zero, but if you get unlucky, and you fall short by 2k, you can spend several seconds slowboating to the undock. Oddly, I've noticed this is more pronounced on some models from certain directions - I pretty much always used to land well clear of the docking radius when warping to Jita 4-4 from the direction of the Sobaseki gate for example.

By setting an insta-dock bookmark 4-5k beyond the point where you should arrive at zero, even if you fall the full 2.5k short, you are still in the clear (and you can get considerably nearer than that by taking advantage of certain models - one FC once had a hilarious insta-dock bookmark right in the mouth of one stations undock, which resulted in ships bouncing around like ping-pong balls inside the model when he warped the whole fleet in there).