Crime & Punishment

You're asking people that love to AFK to actually think...


Of course Eve isn't dying.... This is cries from those that don't understand the game and rage when they fail at it. If you properly tank your ship it's chances of being ganked are reduced. If you look at most of the ganks they're not tanked.

CCP gave freighter pilots the choice between tank and capacity. If you want to go through dangerous space without tank then don't cry when it goes boom.

Same with a mining barge. Procurer/ Skiff for dangerous space vs Retriever/Mackinaw for safer space. Guess what one gets ganked more often. Choose wisely


Some people want to make highsec safe where they can AFK mine and autopilot freighters. This won't help the game at all.


I've done many things in this game. Lowsec/Nullsec PVP, Higsec ganking, and yes carebear stuff like Mining and Mission running... Have I ever been ganked in highsec... No... I've had them try but I was able to thwart their attempts because I used my brain. Play the game... Don't AFK the game!

So, if tank doesn't help, why do none of the last 13 Freighters ganked have any tank modules? Are you claiming that no freighter pilots ever fit a tank?

And bumping is trivial to avoid and absolutely possible to escape.



Because new players fly 800m ISK ships filled to the brim with billions of ISK worth of cargo.

Because given the bumping mechanics bulkheads won't help you, so they fit mods that let them warp faster. Look farther in the killboard and you will see lots of fully tanked freighters blown to bits. Some of the recently killed Orcas are sporting 300k + ehp.

800 mil huh? Look through the latest kills - most have had little to no cargo. The story here isn't that freighters are getting ganked for isk, its that empty freighters are getting ganked for tears.

I went through 15 more and found 1 tanked freighter that got ganked. So 1 in 28 is "lots" now? There are essentially 3 valid fittings for a Freighter.

And nanos are not the proper things to use to get a freighter into warp to avoid bumping.

(Hint: The bumper can't do anything to you solo. He brought friends. You might consider doing the same.)



Most were fit with a full rack of anti-tank, making it very cheap to gank them.

If someone's willing to lose money to hurt you, what's the problem?



Show me where you found a CCP official source for that statement. Otherwise stop making things up or repeating lies that someone else told you.



Nobody uses alpha ganks anymore, it's too expensive. Gallente ships are used for DPS ganks.

In what way is CONCORD's role negated? Every ganking ship is destroyed, which means that CONCORD has fulfilled its entire role. Unless you can find some CCP official source for your claim that CONCORD has a protective role?

There was a moment of epiphany that my buddies and I had in the way back... not all the way, I'm not that old... but that was that certain ships in this game, while most certainly very awesome at what they do, are simply not meant to be properly utilized ALONE. My bud spent ages training into a command ship only to face the sinking realization that it's full awesomeness could really only be brought to bear in a fleet. I trained a stealth bomber up and realized that alone it had about zero pve applications. We were both sad pandas. He left. I stayed til the first ragequit (there were more than one).

Haulers and miners, with certain exceptions, fall into this category as well. Sure, you can fly your max yield victimbarge solo, but not safely. Likewise you can stuff all the expanded cargohold mods possible onto a hauler and fly it solo. You may get away with it a dozen times. You may get away with it hundreds of times.... but the law of averages is not in your favor, and when the hammer comes down, lady fortune will ensure that it's when you're packing the better part of your worldlies in the hold.

These ships operate best as part of teams. Scouts, webbers, counterbumpers for your haulers, Orcas and defenders for your mining ops. If you don't put forth the full effort to ensure the safety of these kind of boats bad things are going to happen to them.... preventable bad things.

Your enemies will be organized and vigilant. If you are not then you will be their next meal. Fly safe isn't just a figure of speech.

Tank means you don't get picked for the gank most of the time. Look at most freighters CODE kills... Yes some may be tanked but most are not.

Also why would you haul your "life savings" with one trip in an untanked freighter... Or any ship for that matter. "Never put your eggs in one basket"... Does that ring a bell? Again poor choices can have painful consequences.

Wrong. Scramming in highsec does not draw CONCORD response, if the scrammer is a corpmate of or in a duel with the pilot being scrammed. Therefore, your argument of the "outcome" being "replicated" isn't accurate. Accurately, what is being replicated (to go with your argument, which I don't necessarily endorse anyway) is at least either of those two scenarios.

"But," you may ask, "where did the fail-pilot do something to replicate getting into a corp or duel with other pilots?"

That's quite easily answered: he pushed the undock button. And that follows one of your requirements that we need not get hypertechnical that he pushed precisely the "get into corp" or "accept duel" buttons.

It's like you didn't read what I wrote. You're continuing to say bumping replicates criminal scramming (punished by CONCORD), when I made an airtight case above that it actually replicates non-criminal scramming (not punished by CONCORD). Please read what I wrote again.

No my argument was never that all bumping replicated criminal scramming, it was simply that bumping, when used by gankers to trap and pin down a ship between successive gank attempts (where CONCORD is already on the scene) replicates criminal scramming. Clear now?

Every single aspect of Crimewatch is designed around specific mechanical actions drawing specific responses. Every single one of those responses are exclusively punitive. Why should an exception be introduced just because haulers can't be bothered to make friends or be at the keyboard in a multiplayer PvP game?

CONCORD has an exclusively reactive, punitive role. It is not in the business of protecting anyone.


(Incidentally, tangentially, and almost entirely irrelevantly, neither are the RL Police in the US, where the Supreme Court and other courts have repeatedlyruled that they're not responsible for protecting anyone even if they promise to protect them, something that an internet space lawyer like you claim to be should be aware of)