Science & Industry

Sorry

- T3's Hulls still require pre-crius number of RAM's even though stacks have been updated in our hangars/market orders/etc..
- T3 reverse enginering success rate is wrong OR the formula that's been available to public for ages is not acurate (i'l update the

EDIT: update with example:
Intact Hull Section
Base Probability (minus) -60%
Skills 105%
Total 82%
This is from client. With all relevant skills at lvl 5.

Now lets look at formula as available in most online guides:
Base 40% (interpretting -60% as 100%-60%=40% so this one is correct)
40% * (1+(0.01 * Reverse_Enginering))*(1+(0.1*(Plasma_Physics + Mech_Enginering)))
40% * 2.1
84% - so skill bonus is 110% not 105% (2.1-1)

So either that formula is wrong OR the ingame display is wrong

- when using "view in idnustry" on blueprint and checking how it would work in given station/pos i have access too i cant select corect tabs for corp hangars to check if i have right materials
- when searching for teams i cant select what kind of bonus i'm looking for (for example try searching for material bonus to lets say hybrid components - you will get tones of material bonuses mixed with time bonuses teams. also cant sort by bonus level (best teams first for example)
- its very unclear what is the cost level of system - the curent indicator with bars is very uninformative. Also a system with 5 and system with 15% is showing full bar which is very missleading when comparing systems.
- for reverse enginering there is no info how many racial decryptors I have. when i select for example Gallente racial decryptor to make proteus hull i cant tell how many i have in that location and how many are needed.
- not all systems are shown in FACILITIES tab. when I want to check how much it costs to run a job in a system where i know there is facility for it not all systems are available. Is there a limit on systems presented in that list? Regional? range? other?

Other than that its great. I love the new streamlined interface. Although for serious manufacturing the spreadsheets got more complicated :D

Waiting what You have in Your sleeve for new skills for industry.

For invention and reverse enginering I would love to have better breakdown screen of succeses and failures (when runing 11 identic jobs its easy to say what was success and what not, when running say 3/3/3/2 reverse of each race t3's and just seeing list of success/failure without info what is what is not good feedback for player. Havent tried the subsystems yet and i imagine having no info what was the random subsystem result is even worse)

For reverse enginering I would love to see REMOVAL of random subsystem result. Its annoying mechanic. Just increase reverse time / material needs / whatever but let us produce what we want to produce. I'm sure that my blueprints copies for uneeded subsystems (the ones that i dont bother to produce) takes a looooot of DB space in my hangar and server time when i accidentally click the container leaf on inventory screen to load them :D (and it kiils my PC too)

For manufacturing/science in general I would love to see the cost of running a job in a system without station service for it - just to see the cost index to check if i want to place a pos there without using API for that ( i know its on map, but come-on)

Completely agree with 1 and 2, grey blueprints and lag is an issue. 3 would be nice addiditon.

do you remember when you wanted to discuss increasing the production time for fighters, fighter bombers and capital modules ?

you said you would talk about it with some people, but there has been silence since then :(

Guilty

I have alarmed clocked for teams

didn't mind though, part of the game

CCP Greyscale -

I chatted with you about this prior to your vacation- which I hope you enjoyed

Minnie outpost lab upgrade not providing invention

EBR-22458 2014/08/21 Science - Minmatar outpost upgrade Attached Edit | View Comments

That is the Bugreport

Just wondering what is happening and what kind of time frame are we dealing with?

I will make a small comment on the compression issue.

We are a very small operation but obtaining, and running a POS for a short time, to compress ore is not an expensive task. You can buy a small tower & compression array BPC very cheaply, knock up some P4, & make the tower & array. Or as the array is easier to make you could buy a small tower ready made for less than 60 million ISK. Save up your ore and run the tower for just one hour every so often and cost will be infinitesimal.

I disagree with the proposal to introduce compression as a service at NPC stations for a number of reasons. It would go against the conflict driver/risk principle that CCP now follows. But more importantly it may feed the 'race to the bottom' in terms of pricing which is currently happening across the market.

Regarding ingrained behaviour you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. A lot of people still don't see the problems with MIMAF but we have to keep plugging away at them. The whole economy is still in flux atm with summer still not over and the numbers playing EVE still way down possibly largely due to the nullsec stalemate and sovereignty related problems.

Finally regarding the industry changes as a whole I was one of those maybe preaching the doom & gloom but I don't think it has turned out as bad as many thought it might have done. I'm still working out which way the river is flowing but I suspect it will turn out alright in the end.

I do agree for small operations there is no need or economic sense in running a research or manufacturing POS now in high sec. We alone have about two billion ISK worth of POS infrastructure sitting in the station hangar that might never get used under the current scenario. Whether that is a good result of the Crius changes I don't know. It certainly isn't as diverse.

Bugs:

- When starting a job and quickly switching to another BP sometimes causes the new BP to become unresponsive until a third BP gets chosen . (happens fairly often)

- Sometimes when starting a lot of corp jobs, jobs started by one character wont update to the rest of the corp members, showing the BPs used by that person to show as "available" to be installed. (can't reproduce, but happens often)

General nuisances:

- Cost reduction for bulk jobs kicks in after a certain number of runs, increasing the number of runs past that point does not result in any additional reduction in material. this effectively makes the minimum batch run to optimally be the cost reduction point. doing it otherwise is just unreasonable. so why have the cost reduction to begin with? just include it on the BP... (im talking mainly about components, modules, and the like here.)

- teams didn't work, cant be assed to see if any teams are up for contract and going for the second best is hardly worth the effort. why not adding a "recommended" list of teams based on whats been mostly built? this way they would see more movement.

- Public Index information is not good. not good at all. make it not available for lowsec/nullsec systems unless the player flies to the system/station in question.

- why are used BPs listed o the job starting list? we need a "also show used BPs" check box.

- there's been a mayor improvement of the BPC management, but it is still a nightmare. probably with better container control things could improve.

- multiple job starting is still due. if we still had the old UI and the only change Cirrus brought was the ability to start multiple similar jobs at the same time i would have been equally happy with the changes. (takes that little to keep us industrialists happy.)

- Data interfaces show as part of the total cost of an invention attempt, even when they are not consumed.






its +2 targets, if you care for it its definitely worth the training time. (i have it)

priority list (not in any order)

1. Make it so the industry UI can be resize. I'd like to be able to see more than it when i have it open.
2. Show me as a hint the actual system cost index not just a part filled red bar.
3. Allow me to be able to select high sec / low sec or null only station facilities from a drop down menu in the industry UI
4. Teams, teams, teams. there is not enough time in the day to explain how i feel trying to search through them. For starters.
my screen only allows 4 of them displayed at a time. Try to type in "deep space transport" in the filter results in nothing yet it is a ship class than s displayed as effected by teams. and so on..........