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Add Rookie Ship BP's to the game! Possibly as BPC's from Pend Ins.
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Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
#41 - 2014-08-31 02:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghaustyl Kathix
X Gallentius wrote:
Everything in this game can be replicated infinitely (except for a few unique items). The cost with replicating rookie ships is TIME. TIME replicating these ships can be saved with BPO's.
The cost of replacing anything is time. Someone else has to put the time into mining, building and/or getting meta 4 drops. Same with rookie ships, you can buy them and someone else puts in the time of farming them.

Now, I would love to see BPCs of the pirate rookie ships. They're just so much fun...
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#42 - 2014-09-01 11:39:09 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Fer'isam, if you're not going to actually contribute to this thread in an intelligent, mature, constructive manner then get out. All you're doing is posting forum memes you clearly don't understand (Malcanis' Law for one) and trying to poke "logical fallacy, so no" into places where there isn't even a logical fallacy. OP has presented a decent idea, made logically-sound arguments and you're busy flailing your arms and basically making yourself look ... well ... touched.

Oh, and stop misusing Hume's Guillotine.

Calling out a bad idea or pointing at bad arguments is contributing.

And can you explain to me how Malcanis' Law does not apply here, cause as far as I see, older players profit from new production options (from their budged and skills) much more then new players, who are taken again as hostage for bad arguments.

And logical fallacies speak for themselves, if I am wrong, point it out, explain why and I will learn something. Just saying, 'hey you made one yourself - your are of now use' Doesn't help anyone either.

And btw, T2 Rookie Frigs are, guess what - not Rookie Frigs anymore. If you strip all the Rookie features of the frig so you can get your BPs, guess what, then it's not a Rookie ship anymore either. If you want to erase them, fine, then you can have your BPs, but stop calling them Rookie Frigs then and you have to change a lot of mechanics, just so you can add one more BP to the list.

I have thousands of 1500 runs BPs and with decent manufacturing skills almost none pay off to actually produce without loss, that's how high competition is, you really think those BP will make a difference to anyone ? - And this totally neglecting for the moment the fact that you can get them free at any time.

A bad idea is a bad idea, no matter how much you like it, wish it could be meaningful or dress up to convince others.

Cheers
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#43 - 2014-09-01 14:34:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Summer Isle
Their demand isn't high enough to be a source of manufacturing income, but that isn't the point, anyway. The point is about having fun and making them easier to get in bulk quantity.

Rookie ships are the only non-limited-edition ships without a blueprint. Give them a BP and let those who wish to use them do so. Nobody is going to force anyone into using them. You don't even have to get the BP if you don't want to. For those of us who do, it would be nice to have it available.

Edit :: By the way, Feri, I really appreciate all the bumps you're giving this idea. You've been absolutely instrumental in keeping this thread going. Thank you. End Edit

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Clementina
University of Caille
#44 - 2014-09-02 06:09:49 UTC
There might be some use for this idea for people who have a different newbie ship preference than their nationality. It would have to be limited to BPCs since a BPO would allow someone to run off a million Ibii for free. And they would have to be low-run BPCs at that to keep everything sane unless newbie ships somehow start costing materials.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#45 - 2014-09-02 10:16:34 UTC
Clementina wrote:
There might be some use for this idea for people who have a different newbie ship preference than their nationality. It would have to be limited to BPCs since a BPO would allow someone to run off a million Ibii for free. And they would have to be low-run BPCs at that to keep everything sane unless newbie ships somehow start costing materials.


That's kind of the idea here ...

BPO + (IDK, 1k Trit) = New Rookie Ship

This will not replace the "died, have no more ships, get freebie from Pend Insurance" mechanic that we currently have ... but make it easier to get the 100+ rookie ships for lol-roams (or pre-fit cynoboats, etc) without having to do the current dock/undock routine to get them all.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#46 - 2014-09-05 11:45:22 UTC
I've added a to;Dr of at least my own opinions to the first post. Essentially, access to Rookie Ship BP's would be for fun and convenience. Nobody will get rich from them, but having them would save people time and would bring them more in line with all other non-limited ships in the game.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Fer'isam K'ahn
SAS Veterinarians
#47 - 2014-09-05 12:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Fer'isam K'ahn
Summer Isle wrote:
Their demand isn't high enough to be a source of manufacturing income, but that isn't the point, anyway. The point is about having fun and making them easier to get in bulk quantity.

Which you can already, they are being sold in great numbers (just under 3500 ISK, 2500+ Velator) - you think you can produce them that cheap and get them as easy as: click - buy. Not to mention, that even the 50-5000 ISK buy orders are being used, cause it's more profitable to sell them for that then to trash them ... which I continously do - trashing.

Quote:
Rookie ships are the only non-limited ...

Should have stopped there, rest doesn't make sense bacuase of it.

And in regards to your lost post, 'could be fun' as the sole consideration is really a criteria for game changes ...... NOT - EVER.

PS: And I don't mind bumping it, the posts are not for your nor solely for the suggestions benefit, if you haven't noticed.
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#48 - 2014-09-06 00:53:34 UTC
I still don't see why you take such an issue with it. Your argument boils down to "you can get them for free and they're already cheap on the market."

You do understand that it wasn't so long ago that you couldn't get them on the market, right? Back when those discussions would pop up, the arguments were an earlier version of what you're saying: "Nobody will ever buy them because you can get them for free."

Except that, as history has shown, people do indeed buy them. Likewise, I believe that, should Rookie Ships become available via BP, history will show that people will also utilize the BP's for them.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#49 - 2014-09-09 03:41:32 UTC
I've updated my original post to include this information, but I'd like to point it out here, as well:

Every character starts with one manufacturing slot, even if they've never trained any manufacturing skills. Considering the type of ship it is, material reduction skills would (or should) be a non-issue, and other than a small increase in ISK cost due to the time-based fees, a non-manufacturer who wanted to acquire a decent number of these ships would not care if their runs took a day or two longer than those of a high-skill manufacturer.

So to those who have been saying that no manufacturer would waste their lines on these, perhaps not, but non-manufacturers may be able to take advantage of Rookie Ship BP's for their Rookie Ship fleets and similar.

 Talk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper.
Rockstede
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-11-21 12:32:26 UTC
Right now I really wish I had the BPO to all 4, we were planning to have a Noob Ship thunderdome at some point and being able to run off 400 ships via industry methods *regardless of cost* would be a hell of a lot easier than docking and undocking 400 times.
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2014-11-23 16:49:24 UTC
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:

PS: And I don't mind bumping it, the posts are not for your nor solely for the suggestions benefit, if you haven't noticed.

You have been trolled, masterfully. Has your superior intellect not yet worked out that simple fact?
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