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Ships that suck, what ship would you change?
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Teleni Pavle
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2011-12-10 13:58:05 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
All Caldari sub-battleships with a bonus to optimal range.


Especially those with TWO bonuses to optimal range.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2011-12-10 14:01:46 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Amarrian Assault Frigates. one needs an extra mid slot and the other needs something else


The Retribution needs another midslot, the Vengeance needs a useful bonus (rockets suck heh)

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yumike
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-12-10 14:20:59 UTC
I'd list all the frigates and cruisers (T1, mostly) that are mostly useless save the few that do their jobs well.

But it's much easier to just say, All the worthless frigate/cruisers.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2011-12-10 14:26:45 UTC
All carriers are faulty, they can't be used in hisec... Twisted

No, seriously, ORE's 200 million ISK bullseyes could take a workout so they could be tanked without sacrifing their already marginal cost/productivity ratio...

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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#25 - 2011-12-10 14:31:52 UTC
Breacher
Same tier as kestrel but don't have any edge except for being slightly faster.

Belicose
Target painter bonus, projectile bonus and split weapon systems? Makes it kind of meh and nearly no one fly it.
Target painters mostly good for missiles and the only missile boat minmatar has is the typhoon.

Hyena
Web bonus is nice but a lot of times a vigil does the job better at a 1/10 of the price. And again, painter bonus.

Low tier industrials
Not much point in getting on of these instead of the higher ones. Needs separate roles.

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Cozmik R5
Chez Stan
#26 - 2011-12-10 14:59:12 UTC
Apparently vikings are hard-headed so this needs to be hammered into their skull with a damn warhammer:

ASSAULT FRIGATES !!!

Fourth bonus, Retribution mid-slot, etc.

WTFU

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Schnoo
The Schnoo
#27 - 2011-12-10 15:06:37 UTC
Commenting only on the ships I can and have flown (Amarr):

These need to lose the capacitor bonus and get it replaced with damage/rof/optimal (it's better to use hybrid/projectiles on them - below large turrets lasers got little to offer):
Prophecy, Punisher, Maller, Crucifier, Magnate, Augoror Navy Issue

These need to get another mid slot (for such a small ship, which is always used as solo or tackler, you need a propulsion mod and warp disruptor at least):
Coercer, Retribution
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2011-12-10 15:59:06 UTC
Eagle needs moar grid.
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#29 - 2011-12-10 16:23:08 UTC
Black Ops, the ship has like one grand thing it does, but the tradeoff is so high the ship is for the most part useless outside being a jump bridge.

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Rawbone
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-12-10 16:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rawbone
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Black Ops, the ship has like one grand thing it does, but the tradeoff is so high the ship is for the most part useless outside being a jump bridge.


Agreed.
I keep mine docked unless a covert cyno is needed by a bomber gang. The trade-off dps bonus a rev gets isn't worth the bil it costs, especially if one can fly a much cheaper naga or oracle
ghosttr
CRUZADOS
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2011-12-10 21:36:08 UTC
I think frigates need the most love, they really dont have any job besides 1) tackle, and 2) die. On paper, they all have different roles, but In practice, all of the frigs are lumped into this singular role.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2011-12-10 21:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Ferox
Scythe
Augoror
Omen
Maller
Crucifier
Tormentor
Prophecy
all E-War ships
Cruor
Ashimmu
Coercer
Retribution
Sigil
Procurer
Hyperion
Iteron I through IV
Burst
Heretic
Eris
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-12-10 22:00:10 UTC
Eris = Needs more PG/CPU absolutely the worst interdictor to fit.

Assault Ships (4th bonus across the board = bonus to Afterburner speed)
Eagle
Legion

Dual Pane idea: Click!

CCP Please Implement
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2011-12-10 22:33:51 UTC
Ibis needs a new model

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Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-12-10 22:46:32 UTC
Electronic Attack Frigates

compared to T1 EWAR frigates and cruisers they just don't provide good value for the money they cost.
Brynhilda
Chimp Hoons Export and Expo Service
Scary Wormhole People
#36 - 2011-12-10 23:07:13 UTC
Phantasm needs an additional Midslot. Of all the pirate cruisers, the Phantasm is lacking a slot.

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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2011-12-10 23:44:59 UTC
ships that suck - freighter - can't cloak

capsule - can not catapult away from bubble

ugly ships suck and you know their names

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
SpaceSquirrels
#38 - 2011-12-11 02:50:40 UTC
Ferox... It looks too cool to be so gimp.

Rokh could use some stat adjustments too now that I think about it...or a navy issue. (more cap less sig rad better scan res)

Maybe the tempest as it has just been replaced by the tornado. Make it another ewar bonus BS.

The t1 cruisers (most) need to all be reevaluated.
Ral Darkmoon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2011-12-11 03:08:25 UTC
Definitely retribution needs another midslot.

Would love to see the Cyclone get a bit more love, that ship model is awesome.
Benco97
#40 - 2011-12-11 03:13:27 UTC
Burst needs an increase to it's base cargo bay size to bring it in line with the other mining frigates.