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drone nerfing

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Betheny Chanlin
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#1 - 2014-08-26 12:44:58 UTC
The bonus to sentry drone tracking and optimal range reduced from 7.5% per level -> 5% per level.
whats next? 2% per level? they are starting to make drones useless. its sort of pointless training drones skills to 5 when you keep nerfing them. i would like to know the reasons why we keep touching the drones range and tracking,
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#2 - 2014-08-26 12:54:36 UTC
Domi is still 7.5
Ahmed Ibn Rustah
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-08-26 12:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ahmed Ibn Rustah
Ishtar:
Bonus to drone tracking and optimal range from 7.5% per level -> 5% per level

Thats Ishtar only! The drones are untouched.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=361722
Read it!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-08-26 13:04:37 UTC
Betheny Chanlin wrote:
The bonus to sentry drone tracking and optimal range reduced from 7.5% per level -> 5% per level.
whats next? 2% per level? they are starting to make drones useless. its sort of pointless training drones skills to 5 when you keep nerfing them. i would like to know the reasons why we keep touching the drones range and tracking,



You knwo why they are nerfign the ishtar? BECAUSE IT IS UTERLY OVERPOWERED!!!!!


No other hac is even HALF of what the ishtar is.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Betheny Chanlin
Corp 54
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#5 - 2014-08-26 13:04:37 UTC
sorry seen that in the patch notes
Chris Winter
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#6 - 2014-08-26 20:05:17 UTC
They nerfed the wrong bonus IMO. They should've reduced the damage bonus.

As a medium hull, the Ishtar is *supposed* to track better than the Domi, but have less damage. It's now backwards...the Ishtar does just as much damage with less tracking.
David Koen
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-08-28 15:26:21 UTC
I would rather see they reduced Ishtar bandwidth to medium drones with 50 or 75 MB bandwidth. We have a nonsence now ishtar has more drone bandwidth and dps then T3 Proteus. With heavy drones it is like a battleship, the same for VNI.
litle grasshopper
The Tebo Corp
Herd Of Cats
#8 - 2014-08-29 14:49:04 UTC
David Koen wrote:
I would rather see they reduced Ishtar bandwidth to medium drones with 50 or 75 MB bandwidth. We have a nonsence now ishtar has more drone bandwidth and dps then T3 Proteus. With heavy drones it is like a battleship, the same for VNI.


T3's were never ment to be better then specialised hacs, they were ment to be a modular do all ship just not quite as well as the specialised ship.
Ginger Barbarella
#9 - 2014-08-29 15:15:45 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Betheny Chanlin wrote:
The bonus to sentry drone tracking and optimal range reduced from 7.5% per level -> 5% per level.
whats next? 2% per level? they are starting to make drones useless. its sort of pointless training drones skills to 5 when you keep nerfing them. i would like to know the reasons why we keep touching the drones range and tracking,


You knwo why they are nerfign the ishtar? BECAUSE IT IS UTERLY OVERPOWERED!!!!!

No other hac is even HALF of what the ishtar is.


HACs have always been pretty crappy ships; only seems fair that the once-great Ishtar is now a bit closer to piece of crap. Next up is undoubtedly Sentry drone nerfing.

I predict the rise of the Vagabond again, only to have--- let's see... --- projectile weapon nerfing again!

"EMP S ammo is MASSIVELY OP!!!! NERF IT!!"

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

David Koen
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-08-31 05:20:00 UTC
litle grasshopper wrote:
David Koen wrote:
I would rather see they reduced Ishtar bandwidth to medium drones with 50 or 75 MB bandwidth. We have a nonsence now ishtar has more drone bandwidth and dps then T3 Proteus. With heavy drones it is like a battleship, the same for VNI.


T3's were never ment to be better then specialised hacs, they were ment to be a modular do all ship just not quite as well as the specialised ship.


Rocket specialised Tengu or Legion is better than any rocket T2 HAC, Logostic spec T3 is also better than T2 logist. If you specialize Proteus in drones it cannot compete with Ishtar. It is only ishtar problem, it just need be specialized in medium drones.
Dato Koppla
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#11 - 2014-08-31 05:45:29 UTC
People whining about the Ishtar nerf are just butthurt, it definitely needed a nerf, and HACs are not as underpowered as people make them out to be, many HACs are still solid ships for a certain roles. Deimos, Vaga, Sacrilege, Cerberus are all good solo/small gang ships and Muninn, Zealot are solid fleet ships although the Eagle is still a little sad IMO, useable, but not great at any role in particular.
Gefen Orion
Icebox Industries
#12 - 2014-08-31 06:36:19 UTC
David Koen wrote:
litle grasshopper wrote:
David Koen wrote:
I would rather see they reduced Ishtar bandwidth to medium drones with 50 or 75 MB bandwidth. We have a nonsence now ishtar has more drone bandwidth and dps then T3 Proteus. With heavy drones it is like a battleship, the same for VNI.


T3's were never ment to be better then specialised hacs, they were ment to be a modular do all ship just not quite as well as the specialised ship.


Rocket specialised Tengu or Legion is better than any rocket T2 HAC, Logostic spec T3 is also better than T2 logist. If you specialize Proteus in drones it cannot compete with Ishtar. It is only ishtar problem, it just need be specialized in medium drones.


If we will follow your logic, then the better alternative is to buff proteus to become better then the ishtar rather than nerf ishtar to the ground. Big smileBig smileBig smile
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#13 - 2014-08-31 09:32:53 UTC
David Koen wrote:
Logostic spec T3 is also better than T2 logist.

Really? How long does it take the Tengu to rep 500 shield from a start point 70km from the target? (hint: it's a lot longer than it takes a Basilisk).
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#14 - 2014-08-31 11:53:40 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
David Koen wrote:
Logostic spec T3 is also better than T2 logist.

Really? How long does it take the Tengu to rep 500 shield from a start point 70km from the target? (hint: it's a lot longer than it takes a Basilisk).


Yeah people always overlook the range bonus on RR, cap transfers and tracking links on the Logis. Beside this, fitting is also a major issue, what requires rather expensive medium dead space RRs on the T3s or it will end up as a glass cannon full of fitting mods. There are a few applications where it can be useful(bridgeable cov ops Logi) or Incs where it can double up as dps and Logi on the cruiser site of a NCN but overall it is rather a niche solution compared to normal Logistic cruisers that offer a lot more range, a very low sig, high speed, good capacitors and cost full fitted less than the T3 hull alone(leave alone a fully fitted Logi T3 that easy ends up in the 1B isk price range in a useful fitting).
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-08-31 22:22:20 UTC
David Koen wrote:
I would rather see they reduced Ishtar bandwidth to medium drones with 50 or 75 MB bandwidth. We have a nonsence now ishtar has more drone bandwidth and dps then T3 Proteus. With heavy drones it is like a battleship, the same for VNI.


It's supposed to. T3's aren't supposed to be more powerful than T2, they're supposed to be more versatile.
Navie
Tharion Star
#16 - 2014-08-31 23:38:13 UTC
Part of the problem is I think people afk ratting with drones basically....
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2014-09-01 00:06:42 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
David Koen wrote:
Logostic spec T3 is also better than T2 logist.

Really? How long does it take the Tengu to rep 500 shield from a start point 70km from the target? (hint: it's a lot longer than it takes a Basilisk).



Because you can make a cloaking logi out of a T3. Shocked