Wormholes

I was optimistic at first and it's still early days but there definitely seems to be signs that Hyperion is having a detrimental effect throughout wormhole space.

I agree with most of the changes but let's be honest, Hyperion was largely a wormhole nerf. Without any additions to wormhole space (new content and activities) i think wormhole space will slowly die.

Unfortunately, knowing CCP, i doubt they are going to add anything interesting anytime soon and for that reason, I'm seriously considering leaving wormhole space.

You are right that this has completely changed wormhole space.
And you are right to question if it is a place that people will consider remaining.

Without the mass spawn change and the realisation that everything we strive for will eventually be undone by bad luck, and there is no longer any point whatsoever trying, as all our skills, training, experience and tactics cannot compete with or adapt to "luck" there may have been the chance that we could overcome and adapt.

But now?

Seems like more and more are realising by the hour.

Such a shame, such a loss.

that is the choice ccp has given us.

There is probably a lot CSM could say but not allowed to say. And with the failure of CCP to communicate with us, its just bad. CCP probably have a vision how they want things to be, but ignoring the people living in the sandbox, is a good way to alienate them. Good relations to your customers, make happier customers. Doing the WESAYSO approach and ignore them, probably not.

Would been more productive to try work towards fix the things asked for. Make wspace more attractive to move into would create more content for everyone.

Please explain and describe the ISK cow in a c2/c3? Compared to other activities in eve

There wasn't, but now we've lived there for years. The good stuff was never closed off, you could always get to it from hs, and in fact, even though we live in a wormhole, we accessed a great deal of content from those hs holes, as well as from our w-space connections. And by content, I mean killing people.

However, I'm confused when you say "good stuff". Nanoribbon prices have dropped signifigantly over the years and C2/C3 sites require large amounts of farming to make any signifigant isk. There is no more high reward. There's hardly any randomization at all. Even escalations are only good isk per hour if there are low amounts of pilots and copious dualboxxing. You are left with PI and industry at that point. You say this is a pvp game, where is the promotion of pvp?

We aren't looking to pve. We're looking to kill people. If there are no people however, how do you kill them? How do you bring people in? It's a self-fufilling prophecy you see. It's why ccp have buffed nullsec and lowsec quite a few times, and I think they should continue to do so.

So they doesn't matter and should be just ignored, that what you saying?

Going into a WH (other than a day tip) takes a fairly large committment of resources (aka isk). You need a tower, fuel, stront, modules, scanning ships, pvp ships, pve ships, etc. While you still have the risk to lose much of that due to less than perfect tower security. Still all that can be lost fairly quickly, your ships blown up, your tower sieged. It is a wild, wild west kinda world, unchartered, lawless, and dangerous. There were of course also rewards to be found. Risk and reward held a balance, sometimes swinging in one, sometimes swinging in the other direction.

Hyperion has changed that, three things significantly increased the risk side of the equation:

1) Spawning off WHs depending on mass (this makes rolling WHs more dangerous), I am "ok" with that to an extend.

2) Drastic increase of WHs in a system. It seems fairly common now to have 6-7 WHs at any given time. That is just silly. It
makes pve next to impossible. We in WHs enjoy flying, blowing up, and yes losing shiny ships. As long as income balanced
that out it is ok. Now, not so much.

3) Frigatte size holes. Have not had any luck with these, but other than making pve (PI, etc) more dangerous, no real use yet.

Incursions on the other hand seem not be affected by increased risk, they even have been buffed. It does boggle the mind.

If the true intent of CCP is to empty out WHs, then all I can say "Op Success". Hyperion has been largely a nerf to WHs. People ARE moving out. Some are thinking about quitting. WHs used to be a vibrant and awesome place. A place people set out to conquer, a place people (even small groups) were able to successfully take and hold their slice of the EvE Universe. Unless CCP gives people a REASON to come to WHs or to STAY in WHs, I do not see a bright future ahead.


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Even if it were about ISK cows, C1-C4 profit, even with an army of alts, is not a very profitable compared to other activities. C4s were a grey-area that could be 'exploited' under the right circumstances, but even so, if you used all your wormhole alts for incursions instead, you'd rake in significantly more.

How can you even talk about private PvE servers when a huge amount of EVE's population consists of players who grind L4s, incursions or multibox their mining fleets? Shouldn't those aspects have a much higher priority than wormhole farming, given how wormhole bears at least exposed themselves to a slight amount of risk?

Worth it now more than ever? What good stuff? C1-3s? Why would anyone expose themselves to the greatly increased risk when more ISK can be made in less time, with zero risk? Leading to the question, if that is CCP's intention, why are these classes even in the game?

Well the changes have placed a serious burden upon smaller groups. As a C2 resident, I'm not seeing the lower class wormholes being viable.

I'm not risk adverse (I enjoy small gang pvp), but I'd like to be able to:

1. Afford to replace my ships if I happen to lose them. (C5/6s with escalations make great income, compared to other WHs)

2. Have the ability to have some kind of intel of what is going on around me. (Null-Sec has local, and alliance intel channels) Smaller WH groups just don't have the resources/people to watch ALL the entrances now.

3. Not have attackers given the ability to retreat with no worries of being caught. (Frigate Only WHs favor one PvP play style only, and pvp in a frigate sucks IMHO.)

4. See CCP actually create content that will get me excited about something new, instead of feeling punished for learning to take advantage of what was already created even if it wasn't intended (Isn't that the essence of what Hilmar learned and spoke of during FanFest 10th anniversary? That players will take advantage and do things that are unexpected.). As an established (started in 05), high SP player I'm tired of the seeing low SP PvP players being catered to.

Unfortunately these changes only favor those new to the game, who won't know any better, and will learn to adapt. Unfortunately some of us are getting tired to adapting, and would like to play the game we've come to love and enjoy. However, it seems that isn't in CCPs development cycle.