Wormholes

Hyperion has been a complete disaster for the wormhole community IMO. The combination of jump mass changes, C4 additional static, and frigate holes has combined to make the perfect storm of an over-connected, under active and empty place in EVE.

Frankly, the changes that CCP has made over the last couple years have appeared to be with the intent to nerf WH space in general and the net effect is that there is less and less activity in wormhole space all the time.

It's pretty easy to see the direction that this is going is to eliminate the dynamic, adhoc, small group PVP that made wormhole space the most fun place in the game.

The question I have is why does CCP want to eliminate such a vibrant community within Eve online? Is it the lack of headline generating large fleets or because the wormhole fleets occasionally threaten Null bears?

Either way, simply looking at the lack of towers in so many wormholes as well as the lack of active pilots demonstrates that the Hyperion release is an unqualified disaster and will drive some if not many wormholers to leave Eve Online altogether.

CCP: Please stop ignoring your loyal userbase and rollback this release before it's too late!

-- Anonymous Wormhole Pilot

Thank God college football season is here and dove season is just a few weeks away! WDE

Eh, if anything needs to go...

It's all the whiney threads.

I don't really care about the changes, other than the fact that they aren't the right changes. They don't help us in the slightest find pvp or finance our operations. They give us new routes and stuff, to a more empty space. There is hardly any reward to living in the great unknown anymore, and carebears and pvpers alike are moving out, because there is better money elsewhere and there aren't as many people to shoot.

Why even come to wormholes anymore? The isk sucks, but instead you buff risk free PVE in highsec with incursions . This is supposed to be dangerous space with huge rewards to draw players in. Instead we get nerfed, our entire quality of life gets shoved in the trash, and we have less targets than ever. But sure, go ahead and buff the worry free highsec isk faucet. The hardcore, no local, sleeper ai, doesnt matter. We should be getting sleeper faction drops and stuff. High risk, high reward. Instead, we'll just go to highsec to make isk, and come back to WHs to shoot each other. What great design!

Trust me when I say shooting npcs with 1. local 2. concord 3. hs mechanics is alot different than shooting npcs with capitals or even in a drake by yourself, no local at all, and a 14au dscan to pound constantly, even then there is no saving you. There are no intel channels about fleets you can see coming 20 jumps away. You can't already have a scout in the wormhole that just opened into you 2 seconds ago in the middle of a wave. Why should in these places loot even be comparable?

We need something to draw people in, rewards for us having to go thru your bullshit mechanics. Give use sleeper faction loot, more things to make with nanoribbons, or something to make wormholes desirable to live in again. If the pvp dries up, you'll be losing some of the oldest wormholers in this community.

This entire thing is a joke, its obvious you didn't listen to anyone who actually know wormholes and use them everyday. What good is a frigate hole to a c4. Who does that help? Does it encourage pvp? Do you know what ships we pvp with in wormholes? Lets take this frig fleet vs some T3s!

Why do we have a CSM? You know every stable wormhole corp in the game, but you don't ask our CEO's or our directors for advice? What we see every day?

If it aint broke dont fix it. I wont say this will kill wormholes, although its already put a dent in them. But if these sort of changes continue, it'll be time to jump ship. You dun broke it.

Nobody needs to lose their jobs, let's not start World War 3, it isn't totally terrible - it just failed to achieve the original aims of Hyperion and needs some tweaks to make Wormhole Space more viable to increase activity.

Since the release I've noticed a dramatic drop in the amount of pvp content in Wormholes. By pvp content I mean finding online people in POS's, plexers, miners, detecting probes/scouting activity on D-scan, and organised pvp. Organised pvp in itself hasn't taken much of a hit, it's risky because of the amount of holes but that's counter-balanced by it now being easier than ever to find a wormhole belonging to a specific corp you want to find, due the amount of connections. However, in wormhole space this accounts for a tiny minority of the actual pvp which takes place. This demonstrated by the amount of activity I've personally seen as well as other corp-mates who have been scanning for content, and even then it's usually people online in POS's or scouts, and while it can be possible to initiate a fight in wormhole space through these, it needs mutual desire for pvp which returns to the organised pvp category - and pvp in wormhole space is very rarely mutual.

Of course, these are my own accounts and there's very little I can do to back them up, but similar experiences to mine are currently being echoed in the various threads. A quick scan through Zkillboard in the W-Space menu supports what I'm saying - bigger gaps between the timestamps on kills and the kills that occur are very rarely on miners or plexers. It's just too risky for them at the moment, and the rewards for it in C1-C4 holes just aren't worth the risk - and if you're in a C5 or C6, you're probably also big enough to have scouts on every hole and therefore it's not as risky for them. Perfectly fine for large elite corps, terrible for fresh, less experienced corps with fewer numbers.

It's worth remembering that the prosperity potential in Wormhole Space is what opened the door to many people who are currently there, and lots of those who are currently leaving. Plexers and miners, and their desire to defend their plexing and mining wormholes, are what created the large amount of content we previously had. However the reward for these is the same but the risk is further higher - thus it is counter-productive in improving Wormhole Space as this patch set out to do. Either increase the reward, reduce the risk, or a combination of the two, and I imagine Wormholes will be back to being as full as they used to be - but we need something dramatic if people are going to start setting up new POS's anytime soon.

- Alt of Wormholer

ccp has already shown there complete unwillingess to communicate with you the player any further than general pr crap and i seriously doubt that they are gonna "roll back" any of the changes.

either you quit or move from w-space or just accept it and continue playing.

Really? I see gaps of days in your killboards with no kills at all before you go to lowsec to find some 'content'. But yeah, ignore the wormholers who scan all day and kill at least 20 ships in wormholes everyday. Feel free to keep discounting their experiences tho. Good job.

There is nothing incredibly bad about these changes, however there is nothing good to them either. They literally do nothing to help wormhole health and indeed weaken it as we have already seen people moving out. That means less content for everyone. I guess the highsec carebears and the nullbears have won this round.

All of us wormholers will have to unite and become lowsec pirates or a nullsec bloc (shudder).

I've been in wormholes since they were formed. Wormholes were packed before incursions came out. I wonder why? Why did people choose risk free isk in highsec, than wormhole isk? Hopefully some game developer genius can tell me why that was a good idea? or was it just a good idea for their subscriptions?

This is what we do not need..infighting between pilots..Just stick to How the changes affect you good or bad

I wouldn't say that is my experience so far. Rolling is meh just more tedious than before, it was hardly the most exciting thing ever before... now its just that bit more dull .

So far many of the wh are just as devoid of action as before. admittedly i've not come across any peeps moving out yet.

Keeping an eye on site spawning mechanics, and no sites so far other than whs and one gas site (excluding regular anoms).

IMO, its way too early days to draw conclusions about the overall repercussions of this patch, and i approve of some of the intentions of the patch. But its hardly been a helping hand to lower class dwellers that's for sure.