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sorry, i just mean to make a reference to where someone could get the data.

hmm, i guess everything here comes from the yaml file now, so it's just pointing to that.

When I wrote that, I forgot that I had used Des's yamltoSQL importer, so i still reference tables for this data.

So for instance, the base time for invention comes from the invBlueprintTypes table and the inventionTime field.

same with base production time, it's in the same table, just the productionTime field.

Perhaps this isn't so useful with everything being in the yaml file

This is fantastic information! Thank you for pulling it together.

Yeah reprocessing is a bit wonky, because the "Unrecoverable" numbers ingame are completely wrong due to rounding issues and you get different results reprocessing in a POS or a NPC station because of rounding bugs. I didn't even know there are also floating point issues... it's a can of worms.

That is very implausible, i think your rounding function is doing weird stuff. Can you be more specific? I just double checked this on TQ and it works as expected.

Just to confirm, it is now possible for a T2 ship to use for instance, 2 T1 ships to make 1 T2 finished product. Is that correct? As using the given formula that seems to be the case.

Also, I haven't tried inventing any T2 BPCs yet, although I thought they were going to be ME 0 by default, although according to the pdf they are -2 ME. Is this correct?

Thanks very much for the good pdf also, nice info in there.

When i say ME -2% TE -4% i mean that the blueprint reduces the materials by 2% and the build time by 4%. This has nothing to do with the old negative ML/PL values. With the definition of "level" from the PDF this would be a ME level 2, TE level 2 blueprint (each ME level reduces the material requirements by 1%, each TE level reduces the build time by 2%). Blueprints can only have levels from 0 to 10, including copies produced by invention.

First of all, thanks for your excellent pdf, this is pretty much the only source on Crius manufacture around.

However, I'm a bit confused by your formula for materials required and would appreciate some clarification. Here's what I'm confused about in your formula required=max(runs,ceil(round(runs*baseQuantity*materialModifier,2)):
- it seem to me that ",2" part is redundant as there's no way the result of runs*baseQuantity*materialModifier could have more than 2 digits after comma anyway;
- why ceil(round(X,2))? It seem to me that simple ceil(X) (or roundup if in excel) will yield totally same result (within the range of what's possible in eve manufacturing, obviously: it might work differently for negative values, but this is not the case here).

Or did I miss something?

Steve Ronuken, thanks a lot! I'm trying to understand your explanation now, fruitless so far

1. Am I right interpreting your answer as the statement that when eve engine coming up with manufacturing quotes, it uses raw binary results for an output without converting it into a correct decimal value beforehead, so that when binary math tells that 2*7 tritanium is actually 14,000000000000000000001, it rounds it up to 15?
2. Your examples are quite unsettling :) Does this binary maths voids the rule that changing order of multipliers should provide the same results?
3. Now, even if 1 & 2 are true, I've checked ceil function implementation in both excel & openoffice, and there were no hints that it takes into consideration this floating point (that occasional 0.00000001 from your answer), same true for roundmax. I also tried to simulate you example of ceiling(104*0.9*60)=5617 in Excel via both ceiling(104*0.9*60) & ceiling.math(104*0.9*60) (because I didn't understand the difference), but both formulas provided me with 5616, as it should in decimal math. Should I interpret this result as a sign that while I need to take floating point into consideration, Excel doesn't give me such opportunity, or that I used wrong formula? If latter, which is the correct one?

Yep, I watched the video you kindly provided, so I figured this much. But then, if Excel applies additional logic to revert binary results to what we expect in decimal maths, is there a way to correctly simulate in Excel Eve engine calculations that use raw binary maths as results?

Gah! So, all this time you were explaning to me why there is Round(,2), while I was thinking you're explaining why there is Ceiling! God I feel stupid! Well thanks a lot for bearing with me :)