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Has EVE's overall player base IQ gone down?

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Solecist Project
#61 - 2014-08-30 16:31:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Sibyyl wrote:
Awaiting with great anticipation..
And the hatred ...
... awaits to be fueled ...
... by even more hatred ..........


It was you who thaught me that this is the wrong way to approach things.


GD infected you too.

So many people are infected by the hatred and negativity,
by the constant trolling and hating by people with Dunning-Krueger,
by people who refuse to listen and only accept what they want to believe.


I start seeing that I was infected ...
... and you start becoming infected.


This isn't the way to go.


I have petitioned the person in question and hope the forum gods will deal with her eventually.



People need to realise that every time someone responds to posts like these in an equal manner ...
... the intensity of the negativity of both sides will increase.


It's a feedback loop.


There is no winning move,
except to staying neutral and sticking to facts
and not letting ones self get changed by the constant negativity
that has infected so many people in General Discussions already.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2014-08-30 16:32:58 UTC

Well, I was happy to have one Lightsaber.


But I saw the bad guys get to have two at the same time..

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Solecist Project
#63 - 2014-08-30 16:36:38 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Well, I was happy to have one Lightsaber.


But I saw the bad guys get to have two at the same time..

I do and will always support you ...
... and I see that you too will always support me ...

... but I really have to remind you of yourself, Sibyyl.


Let's do it in your own way ...
... your old way ...
... hopefully my new way ...
... but definitely not in my old way.


Hugs?

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Tassin en Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2014-08-30 17:04:23 UTC
In an attempt to provide a final and definitive answer to the OP's question regarding the IQ level of EVE's players I can confirm that in the past 2.000 to 6.000 years IQ HAS indeed gone down as demonstrated by this article: "Are Humans getting Smarter or Dumber?"

Now that's out of the way, everyone disperse and get back to mining or ganking!

Carebear Extraordinaire
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2014-08-30 17:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Sibyyl
Tassin en Lone wrote:
In an attempt to provide a final and definitive answer to the OP's question regarding the IQ level of EVE's players I can confirm that in the past 2.000 to 6.000 years IQ HAS indeed gone down as demonstrated by this article: "Are Humans getting Smarter or Dumber?"

Now that's out of the way, everyone disperse and get back to mining or ganking!



Not sure you read the article. Also, the study in the article is highly unscientific.


First of all, your conclusion is the opposite of what the article writes:
Quote:
IQ scores are rising at a remarkable rate, humans' underlying genetic potential for smarts could be on the decline


The article then fails to demonstrate what the imaginary term "underlying genetic potential" means.



And then, the article gets ridiculous:
Quote:
Furthermore, he argued, intelligence isn't as evolutionarily important to humans today as it was when the species was hunter-gatherers.


And then this is where the "scientist" isn't able to support his opinion with data:
Quote:
Another theory holds that humanity's genetic capacity for intelligence is in decline because of a phenomenon called dysgenic mating. Since the mid-1800s, IQ and reproduction have been negatively correlated, studies have found. To put it bluntly, people who are more intelligent have fewer babies.

...

Instead, scores are going up, creating a paradox for the dysgenic mating theory, Woodley said.



And then tries to argue for a "reaction time" metric which runs counter to the point of an IQ test:
Quote:
Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ, Woodley said, and not nearly as sensitive to cultural influences as IQ tests.




So we're not talking about IQ at all, but "reaction time" which is a metric totally invented by this Woodley fellow.

No thanks.


Edit: Added quotes for clarity.

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Solecist Project
#66 - 2014-08-30 17:19:10 UTC
"Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ, Woodley said, and not nearly as sensitive to cultural influences as IQ tests."

I can confirm the reduction of reaction time to be true
and I do understand why one would make a connection between intelligence and reactiontime.


Ask me why.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-08-30 17:21:54 UTC

I'll be happy to examine data you might have that correlates reaction time to IQ. That article doesn't contain this data..

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Solecist Project
#68 - 2014-08-30 17:22:26 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I'll be happy to examine data you might have that correlates reaction time to IQ. That article doesn't contain this data..
Don't avoid me.


Ask me why.


I know it!

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#69 - 2014-08-30 17:24:32 UTC
Eves average IQ is 100, just as every large sample of any bell curve will be.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Vyl Vit
#70 - 2014-08-30 17:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
YES!!


Cipher Jones pulled that number out of his butt.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#71 - 2014-08-30 17:27:03 UTC
Why might this be the case sol?

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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#72 - 2014-08-30 17:32:31 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
Carlos Brutus wrote:
Are you for some reason under the impression that it's always the same players playing the game or posting on the forums? There's this thing called turnover. Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve.

I am implying that as EVE's player base grows the overall IQ seems to be going down with more and more players.


That is true of any community, when they are small, they tend to be made up of smarter people. Or at least a greater concentration of smarter people per capita.

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Martin Corwin
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-08-30 17:34:41 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
I've always said the world's perceived overall IQ has been on a steady decline since the internet came around. Does that count?

FTFY.
Tassin en Lone
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-08-30 17:36:09 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Why might this be the case sol?

Allow me to ninja this question.

Faster response times equals faster processing of input data equals higher IQ. Right?

Of course that also means our computers are way more intelligent than we are.

Carebear Extraordinaire
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-08-30 17:39:22 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:
I am awestruck by your massive intellect and wisdom.

EUPHORIC

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#76 - 2014-08-30 17:41:33 UTC
Honestly I think it has, but not for the reasons others are promoting.

The Eve community used to be more RP oriented. I don't mean hardcore fantasy RP, but players generally played their character a bit more. Alliance and corp rhetoric was also a bit more formalized and I would say role playing oriented, and it contributed to bringing New Eden to life.

These days I see much more focus on "Rekt" and "internet spaceships". In general the playerbase is more oriented towards the metagame.

Honestly that's expected as a game ages, but the 4chan flavor to many 0.0 communities is seriously off putting, and I think that's really grown from a few core groups to the majority of the PvP playerbase in the past 5 years.
Sol epoch
HELVEGEN
#77 - 2014-08-30 17:44:01 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Why might this be the case sol?


Why are you asking me?
Solecist Project
#78 - 2014-08-30 17:49:27 UTC
I am writing a response, Ralph.


Please wait, it's lengthy.

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Solecist Project
#79 - 2014-08-30 18:10:56 UTC
Proof reading.

Ralph?


I'm almost done.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-08-30 18:26:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:
I am awestruck by your massive intellect and wisdom.

EUPHORIC


Well if I wrote that in response to you, I would actually mean it. Blink

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