EVE General Discussion

If Burner missions were designed to encourage PvP yep, they failed. Ewar infested cheats and blanket tanks 90% while still having top dps and top speed. Burner frigates don't exist anywhere in EVE except in Burner missions.

As for people saying 'no effort', it takes over an hour to solo Serpentis Extravaganza 4, solo in a Navy Thron. Room 1 is all balster range, room two is all blaster range, room three switches out to 40 km rails range. You might need to do that how many times before a burner mission shows up? How much effort is enough effort? Oh that's right, we aren't all null bears in the blue donut so it doesn't count.

What was I expecting? Another bait and switch from CCP. Working as intended.

Odd, I run around in a mach and tend to go through stuff really fast, taking well under an hour for the extravaganzas
Now that I decided to start burning the Zor hacker cards, Worlds collide is now even faster.

Might be that you arent applying dps well, I ditched a gyro and 100 DPS, slapped on a TE2 and now can volley frigs from 17km out, with a web from 14 in
And I do all this in a way that gets gankers to leave me alone and search for the far more low hanging and blingy fruit
(IE T2 all the way, never officer mods)
Maybe that is the issue

People lack good frig skills, understanding of the importance of super webs, and in general the idea that you cant omnitank and even with the tried and proper fit, could still die to random chance and smashing into an lco

So basically just the how dare something be made that is borderline Kaizo trap !! Its not Kaizo as there are more than one fit for each and friends make it so you can easily win

I want to see a stream of a bunch of people killing one in rookie frigs just as a point

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I think they're AMAZING and a GREAT step in the right direction for PVE in this game.
I have not done one yet, but have read that they are difficult, and watched a view youtube videos... Being hard is perfect.

Next will be

Level 1, 2, 3 Burner missions that will be easier, so just be patient.


Anything they do for PVE in this game that is not just the same thing re-wrapped is a good thing.

Be happy!

I know CCP Fozzie mentioned they wanted to iterate on them depending on how they work out. He also tweeted proudly about them killing somewhere around 1400 capsuleers with about ~300 burners killed.Too lazy to find links but you can look it up. Anyway point being he also had mentioned the possibility of more and maybe cruiser missions as a possibility.

My hope is they will consider how many capsuleers are doing this in pairs or at least people using their own multiple accounts and design future content with this in mind.

EG:
The cruiser burner mission giver tasks you with going to tackle and destroy a beefy T2 hauler tanked like a burner. When you tackle it, it triggers two more burner rats maybe from a random pool or maybe the mission giver tells you in advance what you are getting like now. Maybe two ashimmu for the blood raiders or something. Just something to give a good challenge for a small group of carebears.

My best hopeness would be that they make the rats do ewar and logi. If the capsuleers fail to keep the hauler tackled it warps off and they lose the loot, and have to fail the mission. Bumping to keep the hauler from warping as a last resort i suppose haha.
Emergent gameplay could emerge from people stealing loot, ganking or ransoming missions to the mission runners i suppose, which could enhance the challenge aspect i guess, haha.

Who knows what CCP Rise and CCP Fozzie are cooking up. As an Oregonian I am proud of Rise and i expect great things from him.

These missions are something worth pursuing as a new standard of PVE content from CCP. I suppose for people who enjoy the floating fortress shooting crosses they can always keep those old level fours but this is a new avenue for more interesting content. It looks like a bit of an isk sink for some of the participants ;) I have a mind to fit a salvaging astero and stalk burner runners waiting to scavenge their corpses for loot.

that's called being metamad

I was disappointed, because I was hoping for something other than the current Tank tons of DPS, while bringing as much DPS as possible playstyle level 4s currently have. I was hoping they would be as susceptible to damps, tracking disruption, and cap warfare as a regular ship.

They are a big step up the chain as far as a solo challenge is concerned. That Gurista guy was managing to get missed by both my guns and all 5 drones while I burned straight away to minimize transversal. Could not even begin to touch him, missed every single shot for several minutes before running out of range of his warp disruptor and he turned and blapped my drones without effort as I finally warped away. I'm not sure how a shield tanked MWD ship managed a sig that small, but cool.

Their over inflated stats do encourage group play, which is a good thing. I was just really hoping that they would allow more varied tactics like bringing Logi or ewar frigs to the fight instead of Moar DPS being the only really effective way to deal with them.