EVE General Discussion

You are wasting your time with that guy.

The difference in location a link makes https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=370026

Sigh, clearly you did not read or understand what i wrote. As i pretty much said, base doff the info we have, ccp has lost about 2k subscribers. But thats just raw info, not broken down. A good % of that could be AUR/Dust?plex sales/something other then subscriptions. And the daily numbers peak well above average. I'm saying, simply put, if you ignore the write off of WoD, and look at CCP's revenues for the 1/2 a year, its only down 200k. The scary thing though, is that it is prolly telling that Dust doesn;t pull in a ton of money, because the samer period last year had dust 'live' for about a month before the 1/2 year figures were written. Looking at that, CCP is fine. Now if we had subscriber numbers then we could paint a full picture, but we don;t. Eve-offline doesn;t tell you anything about subscriber numbers, just how many accounts are online. And there could be a ton of accounts that are just skill trianing and paid up for months, OR there could be a ton unsubscribed/ At this point, with the data we have currently, we can;t tell for sure what it is. Just that ccp is down form last year 1.8%, which honestly is not a huge deal.

He's not wasting his time, i listen to decent arguments. The fact's however, prove that he and the people flipping out over eve-offlines numbers and pulling conclusions out of there ass. If you can give me a fact, like oh idk, an artificial that says eve is down a lot of subscriber then fine. But i look at the same data you are, as well as take into account the financial report, and the picture that is painted for me, is no where close to what is painted for you. Mainly because the 'losses' are not really losses. and when you compare CCP's operational budget of 28m with there revenue stream of 36.5m or whatever it is (i forget what the . is off the top of my head) then you see CCP is making money. The loss would not be a loss if they had not canceled WoD, thus it is more then likly on the books to write off taxes. Also people posting glassdoor.com, where as it is fully admitted that ccp was not sure what to do with WoD and eve was there baby, means that people posting there form the Atlanta office ofc are going to be biased as that was the way it was. WoD was a secondary project and not important. and no, they can;t just post whatever they want to make themselves look rosey. They have to report income and stuff correctly to the Iceland equivalent of the IRS or be audited and shut down if they are cooking the books. If they lie in public statements, it can bite them in the ass later. They can however, omit the raw data, as in what % of revenue is Dust and what % is eve and what % is other.

Now, could i be analyzing the data before me incorrectly? Sure i could. Does it mater? Nope. I'll play eve till the lights go off or they pry the keyboard form my cold dead hands. If you don;t like eve, or don;t want to play then why are you here? And if you like eve, then why worry about how well ccp is doing? if you are that worried get more accounts or spend more money. Otherwise, who cares.

the next thing to happen is the complete cancellation of Dust 514, lol, will I laugh my arse off if that happens.

Also the changes in invention mean that several additional characters that do nothing but copy blueprints all day long are no longer mandatory.
I welcome these changes, but I am afraid they may lead to less subscribed accounts.

People come and go from a company, so yet another high profile name leaving is not in and of itself news.
The key is to look at the trends. Is CCP shedding more quality people than they are hiring, even with the WoD and Dust disasters factored in?

First half 2014 financials were released. Gross revenue was essentially flat from the previous year (down I think 200,000 dollars) compared to the same 2013 period. And looking at the summer login numbers, things look grim for the 2nd half numbers, which we will see in Feb 2015. I think that set of financials will be far more telling as to what the fate of Eve and CCP is.

But hey, in the meantime, the propagandists and ISD can, and will, shut down any conversation about this, because "it is non-constructive".

Thanks Dom, Zim.. I did not realize Multiple Character Training is less than a year old.


I've always taken it for granted, having started in Feb, and I assumed that it was a legacy feature.