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The New Caldari - An Observation

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Steffanie Saissore
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#1 - 2014-08-30 12:41:09 UTC
In the last few days, I have noticed an interesting trend here on the IGS in which various Caldari have, though various degrees, have made attempts to slowly change various discussion back to how great the Caldari way is.

Now, on one hand, I have no issue with someone speaking their mind about their opinions on a matter...though some times it is best not to say anything at all. Yet, this is the thing that disturbs me about the current trend...the aggressiveness and lengths to which many of these Caldari have gone to drown out the original poster's intent of the thread and the various discussions sparked by the other people in the thread...well, let's call a spade a spade shall we...this is very Gallente of you Caldari.

The Federation made an art out of slowly absorbing and integrating other races' cultures and beliefs in an effort to create a unified front. Now, I see all these staunch State supporters using the very same techniques and principals...maybe with less subtlety and precision in an attempt to impress upon the rest of New Eden how great and mighty the Caldari State is.

Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell.

We travel in the dark of the new moon,

A starry highway traced on the map of the sky

Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#2 - 2014-08-30 12:53:05 UTC
*popcorns*

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#3 - 2014-08-30 12:54:19 UTC
Steffanie Saissore wrote:

Has Caldari become the new Federation? Only time will tell.


I have a feeling that Diana Kim might implode upon reading this.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-08-30 12:56:41 UTC
Come on hot lips, at least provide some names and examples to make things interesting.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-08-30 13:07:14 UTC
I say we make this a thread about the Amarr just to be contrary.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Sadie Veerin
#6 - 2014-08-30 13:07:19 UTC
The difference is that you are putting far too much stock in a few Caldari on the IGS as representative of the State. A couple Caldari with a presence here that feel the need to ingratiate the State to others should not be seen as a sign of a larger trend.

As for the publicly involved Caldari capsuleers you are speaking of, it seems to stem from their exhaustion in regards to discussing the same conflicts without end. If someone tires of attacking others, they tend to revert to praising themselves. Besides one particular capsuleer whose communications everyone should have set to ignore in the first place, I think this is the trend you are noticing. It is not about integrating others but instead a few capsuleers communicating their identity once age-old antagonisms stop being their driving motivations. They are just doing it haphazardly and a bit too often - a bit like an adolescent that first tastes a measure of autonomy. While I encourage their newfound perspective in many ways, I agree that it is disconcerting that it is newfound and they feel they must share it with others at every turn.

The bottom line is that you should not equate these capsuleers with Caldari as a whole. And I fully expect you realize that.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-08-30 13:15:20 UTC
Unlike federal rats, we don't enforce our way of life.
We love it, and we are PROUD to be Caldari. We have our own pariahs, who ran away from State to hide in nullsecs and wormholes from our way of life, and who don't fight for what is dear to all Caldari. But they are only a couple of insignificant persons.
We, Caldari, love our State, our society and we glorify our superiority.

Unlike gallenteans, though, our superiority and our way of life is for us only, and we don't bring it with arms into your houses like gallenteans do with their democrazies. We don't bomb homes of individuals and corporations of outcasts, that leave us, because they hurt themselves already by separating themselves from our glorious culture to live somewhere in Maker-forsaken wormholes just to not do their duty to common good.

Unlike gallenteans, we don't care what cultures others have. It is not our business, we just enjoy and glorify our culture.

But if you don't like us talking how it is good to be Caldari, we could easily talk about how disgusting and repulsive gallenteans, their culture and their Federation are.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#8 - 2014-08-30 13:16:07 UTC
Last few days? Last few months, more like.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-08-30 13:21:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitcher
Ask a representative of each of the four major cultures for their opinion on a subject, and you'll most likely hear an Amarrian opinion, a Caldari opinion, a Gallentean opinion and a Matari opinion (presented in alphabetical order), whatever the individual and personal variance might be.

There are more pod-pilots of Caldari origin than of any one other ethnic group, and this discussion board is almost exclusively used by capsuleers, so...

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-08-30 13:34:12 UTC
Unfortunately, at the moment in the current board most of "Caldari" capsuleers are defectors, who disregard their duty to the State and Caldari people.
If so-called Caldari don't serve the State, you shouldn't consider them Caldari in the first place.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jude Kopenhagen
Stormcrows
#11 - 2014-08-30 14:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jude Kopenhagen
Really Steff?

Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)

It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.

But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.

Not sure about the question though...

I am shadow, ruled by light.

Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#12 - 2014-08-30 14:54:36 UTC
From what I remember, the 'State is Great!' opinion of Caldari loyal capsuleers always has existed imo. It's not even unique, all supportive loyal capsuleers got the same opinion about their nation.

Amarr loyal capsuleers find the Amarr Empire the best, minmatar loyalists love their tribal council republic and Federation loyal capsuleers think the Gallente democratic federation is the greatest thing ever.

Any other view of loyalists would suprise me honestly. What also adds to the *My Nation is the Greatest thing ever!* rhetoric is the venomenous & toxic posting of certain members here. Admit that your nation is not perfect in any aspect and they'll quote it out of context till eternity in non-relevant discussions that you participate in, resulting in the need to defend yourself if you do not want to be accused of hypocrisy or slander and thereby derailing the threads.

In order to improve discussion quality, we'll all have to do an effort and not jump each others throat for even the smallest mistake or disjointed opinion or expression.

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Velarra
#13 - 2014-08-30 15:15:11 UTC
Given that they shared the better part of a millennium as a unified people, during their formative years, is it really such a surprise that they would share so very much in common? Particularly on basic, instinctual, human levels of interaction?

Despite all contrary, modern-era drum beating and their obvious cravings for societal individuation?

Not unlike brothers and sisters.
Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
#14 - 2014-08-30 15:30:08 UTC
Jude Kopenhagen wrote:
Really Steff?

Just cause I am awesome and let everyone know it, all the time.... (As can be seen in every one of my posts here)

It has nothing to do with me being Caldari, more with me being amazing enough to realise how wonderful I am.

But on a serious note, the answer is Hak'len.

Not sure about the question though...


Hak'len is always the answer. Hak'len and Vodka.
And sometimes icecream.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-08-30 15:50:39 UTC
No no no.
Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2014-08-30 16:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
Nothing has changed.

You're just now noticing it.

While arguing on the Summit, they dream in the "Backstage" of their subconcious on selfsame subjects in the exact same way -- and its always been this way since I started paying attention to 'capsuleer soocizalization'.

There is a simple rule.

Never involve yourself in threads involving Caldari if you are not Caldari.

They may not sleep or dream better at night -- but you will.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. ย And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#17 - 2014-08-30 16:27:54 UTC
But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?..

State the nature of your medical emergency

Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-08-30 16:31:16 UTC
Mika Firestorm wrote:
But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?..



Drive them out?

Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track?

Just, I don't know..

.. make a new thread.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. ย And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."

Jared Haywire
Stormcrows
#19 - 2014-08-30 16:43:57 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
No no no.
Not Vodka. Drinking is not professional.


Some folks might argue with you I am a professional drinker.
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
#20 - 2014-08-30 16:48:35 UTC
Arista Shahni wrote:
Mika Firestorm wrote:
But then they will drive everyone out from all the threads?..



Drive them out?

Do your *purposely* walk into a flaming trainwreck that somehow is still circling on the same track?

Just, I don't know..

.. make a new thread.


Then they will capture it too

State the nature of your medical emergency

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