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Solecist Project
#421 - 2014-08-30 14:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
I do hope that my post above gets a clarifying response .......
... from the person it was addressed at.

Or is it "to" ? I believe it's "at". Hm.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#422 - 2014-08-30 14:05:40 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
I do hope that my post above gets a clarifying response .......
... from the person it was addressed at.

Or is it "to" ? I believe it's "at". Hm.


Addressed to. Directed at.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#423 - 2014-08-30 14:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Solecist Project wrote:
I do hope that my post above gets a clarifying response .......
... from the person it was addressed at.

Or is it "to" ? I believe it's "at". Hm.


It depends how aggressively you are addressing it, I'd say, as in throwing something "to" someone

Or throwing it "at" them :)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#424 - 2014-08-30 14:06:59 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
As i said its my perception of what real pvp is, player killing isnt the same as player vs player

I do not understand where this disconnection from reality comes from.*



Both participating parts ... (and it does not matter if active/passive)

... are players ...

... no?



*(this is not meant as an attack, which will hopefully clear itself up after a few posts.
I say it, because that's what I observe ... as my question indicates. Thank you for your time, btw)


player versus player assumes both parties are competing in the same activity against each other i.e combat, my perception of you killing a 2 week old player who does not know how to fight and does not have the knowledge nor has he consented to it is not versus because he is not fighting back all you are doing is killing him you are not versing anyone you are using his lack of skills to your advantage to gain a cheap kill, tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced? "oh because he wants to play the game so welcome to eve"

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#425 - 2014-08-30 14:10:14 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
As i said its my perception of what real pvp is, player killing isnt the same as player vs player

I do not understand where this disconnection from reality comes from.*



Both participating parts ... (and it does not matter if active/passive)

... are players ...

... no?



*(this is not meant as an attack, which will hopefully clear itself up after a few posts.
I say it, because that's what I observe ... as my question indicates. Thank you for your time, btw)


player versus player assumes both parties are competing in the same activity against each other i.e combat, my perception of you killing a 2 week old player who does not know how to fight and does not have the knowledge nor has he consented to it is not versus because he is not fighting back all you are doing is killing him you are not versing anyone you are using his lack of skills to your advantage to gain a cheap kill, tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced? "oh because he wants to play the game so welcome to eve"


Except you are still "vsing" him, so your argument is entirely wrong.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#426 - 2014-08-30 14:10:22 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced?


Well, mouthed off, for starters.

Doesn't really change the fact that I don't need a reason to do anything in a sandbox game. If they're in a player corp, they're fair game.

Unless you're suggesting that players below a certain age be immune to being aggressed in highsec? Because, an awoxer and thus someone who rolls up alts frequently, I'd be all for that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#427 - 2014-08-30 14:13:49 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced?


Well, mouthed off, for starters.

Doesn't really change the fact that I don't need a reason to do anything in a sandbox game. If they're in a player corp, they're fair game.

Unless you're suggesting that players below a certain age be immune to being aggressed in highsec? Because, an awoxer and thus someone who rolls up alts frequently, I'd be all for that.


exactly so whats the issue with them jumping to npc corps to get away from your game, there is plenty of dedicated combat zones in eve, wardeccing rookies in highsec is just a lame excuse to get cheap kills

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Prince Kobol
#428 - 2014-08-30 14:14:00 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

player versus player assumes both parties are competing in the same activity against each other i.e combat, my perception of you killing a 2 week old player who does not know how to fight and does not have the knowledge nor has he consented to it is not versus because he is not fighting back all you are doing is killing him you are not versing anyone you are using his lack of skills to your advantage to gain a cheap kill, tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced? "oh because he wants to play the game so welcome to eve"



It assumes nothing of the sort.

Player v Player means just that, a player against another player, anything after that is your perception.

This is your problem, you are taking what you believe as fact when it is just your opinion.

Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#429 - 2014-08-30 14:15:21 UTC
To and At have always fascinated me as well. If I am throwing free stuff to someone it is a gift. If I throw too hard I am then throwing it at them. At what velocity does my gift become assault? The point where it does physical harm, emotional harm, or terminal harm? I must think more upon this.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#430 - 2014-08-30 14:16:24 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

exactly so whats the issue with them jumping to npc corps to get away from your game, there is plenty of dedicated combat zones in eve, wardeccing rookies in highsec is just a lame excuse to get cheap kills


And all of the above is, once again, you attempting to apply a negative label to try and de-legitimize an action you don't like.

If you're going to cry to me about how you think their desire to avoid combat should be respected, you probably shouldn't disrespect someone else's desire for combat in the next breath.

Because that makes you look like a complete hypocrite.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#431 - 2014-08-30 14:17:14 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
To and At have always fascinated me as well. If I am throwing free stuff to someone it is a gift. If I throw too hard I am then throwing it at them. At what velocity does my gift become assault? The point where it does physical harm, emotional harm, or terminal harm? I must think more upon this.


I suggest testing this theory by gift wrapping cinder blocks.

Or live snakes.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#432 - 2014-08-30 14:20:37 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

player versus player assumes both parties are competing in the same activity against each other i.e combat, my perception of you killing a 2 week old player who does not know how to fight and does not have the knowledge nor has he consented to it is not versus because he is not fighting back all you are doing is killing him you are not versing anyone you are using his lack of skills to your advantage to gain a cheap kill, tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced? "oh because he wants to play the game so welcome to eve"



It assumes nothing of the sort.

Player v Player means just that, a player against another player, anything after that is your perception.

This is your problem, you are taking what you believe as fact when it is just your opinion.



exactly "my perception" and my perception of this is "fake pvp", griefing, bullying, epeen, whatever, there is plenty of places to get fights however you choose to show your epeen by wardeccing rookie players in highsec

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Solecist Project
#433 - 2014-08-30 14:20:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Prince Kobol wrote:
It assumes nothing of the sort.

Player v Player means just that, a player against another player, anything after that is your perception.

This is your problem, you are taking what you believe as fact when it is just your opinion.

He says what I wanted to post.

This is exactly what is going on.


For some reason you have a negative bias here. You believe these people are "lower"*
and express obvious negativity against these players. Mirroring this,
for some reason you must somehow believe to be "better"*, btw.

While I do not understand where your bias comes from,
I would hope that you realise it,
as continuing this conversation will not lead anywhere,
until you realise actual reality without your bias.

PvP = Player vs. Player

It means that two players are in some form of competition with each other
and is completely free of any sort of bias and not narrowed down to any specific form of competition.

In no way "PvP" means that any of the participants has to be actively consenting to it,
has to be active in the first place or has to have any understanding of what's going on.


PvP = the reality of two/more human beings interacting with eachother.


Additionally, so you don't think I ignore the rest of your post,
I want to add that I refuse to respond to the hatred your bias keeps expressing.


(*lack of a better word)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#434 - 2014-08-30 14:21:00 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
tell me what could a 2 week old player possibly do to 3+ year old player to warrant being killed or wardecced?


Well, mouthed off, for starters.

Doesn't really change the fact that I don't need a reason to do anything in a sandbox game. If they're in a player corp, they're fair game.

Unless you're suggesting that players below a certain age be immune to being aggressed in highsec? Because, an awoxer and thus someone who rolls up alts frequently, I'd be all for that.


exactly so whats the issue with them jumping to npc corps to get away from your game, there is plenty of dedicated combat zones in eve, wardeccing rookies in highsec is just a lame excuse to get cheap kills

i frequently belt newbies about the head,
to show them i can, that they can too.
they learn from it (well the ones that don't fly off into a rage),
and frequently profit from it.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#435 - 2014-08-30 14:22:07 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:

exactly "my perception" and my perception of this is "fake pvp", griefing, bullying, epeen, whatever, there is plenty of places to get fights however you choose to show your epeen by wardeccing rookie players in highsec


It's not "your perception".

It's just you being wrong, as you've been told repeatedly by the devs.

You don't get to keep talking about that point of view as though it's legitimate, because you've already been told by the only authority that matters that you're wrong.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#436 - 2014-08-30 14:25:27 UTC
Hey guys I'm gonna post nonsense but I'm gonna hide behind the shield of "opinion" and "perception" so that I can't be wrong.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Solecist Project
#437 - 2014-08-30 14:29:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

exactly "my perception" and my perception of this is "fake pvp", griefing, bullying, epeen, whatever, there is plenty of places to get fights however you choose to show your epeen by wardeccing rookie players in highsec


It's not "your perception".

It's just you being wrong, as you've been told repeatedly by the devs.

You don't get to keep talking about that point of view as though it's legitimate, because you've already been told by the only authority that matters that you're wrong.

Kaarous ... seriously ...

That's not a proper way to approach this. You are showing that you are mad about
her not realising her own bias, which is pointless. It's actually hard to realise any form of bias,
especially when there is an obviously strong emotional underground.

Instead of telling someone that s/he is wrong,
it's important to lead the person on a train of thought that drives towards an epiphany.


Sorry if I sound patronising,
but I feel the need to point out that you are reflecting her negativity,
which will create even more - and increased - negativity.


I know, from most of your posts, that you are a reasonable person
and I want to thank you for your understanding.


Being mad at her for not realising herself leads nowhere.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#438 - 2014-08-30 14:29:44 UTC
im not really crying about the way you play the game im all for letting rookies learn the game as i see no advantage to myself or anyone in just killing them simply because the started playing eve, i hear crying that npc corps should be nerfed etc etc but really if you want combat there is plenty of places to get it from more experienced players and it is a bit more fun.

anyway im not going to argue as this is just impossible, any rookies reading this just join npc corps if the pro-mercs wardec you as its pretty much impossible to compete with them, your t1 grifins dont really stand a chance against the t3 cruisers with logi

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#439 - 2014-08-30 14:36:49 UTC
Mad, Solecist?

No, not really. More confused as to how this line of thinking can still continue.

As for you, Lan Wang, you'd be surprised how much fun highsec PvP is. Now that I've finished up my wormhole tenure (and confirmed that I S.u.c.k at wormholes, not enough budgeted time thanks to work), I have lived in every single part of space. Sov null, NPC null, lowsec, highsec, wormholes.

And right now, for the amount of playtime I have available, and the resources at my command, highsec PvP is more bounce to the ounce, and I find it quite enjoyable.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#440 - 2014-08-30 14:38:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Mad, Solecist?

No, not really. More confused as to how this line of thinking can still continue.

As for you, Lan Wang, you'd be surprised how much fun highsec PvP is. Now that I've finished up my wormhole tenure (and confirmed that I S.u.c.k at wormholes, not enough budgeted time thanks to work), I have lived in every single part of space. Sov null, NPC null, lowsec, highsec, wormholes.

And right now, for the amount of playtime I have available, and the resources at my command, highsec PvP is more bounce to the ounce, and I find it quite enjoyable.



Nope i suck at highsec

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*