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Do You Want Stability Between Empires?
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#41 - 2014-08-30 12:00:08 UTC
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#42 - 2014-09-02 22:23:07 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.

Yup, that'll work. Good luck getting the brass to approve that operation. See you on the battlefield. o7

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#43 - 2014-09-02 22:34:27 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.


You had the chance to do that in 110. You didn't take it. You don't get a second chance, because they'll have prepared defenses precisely to prevent that sort of thing happening a second time.

Getting that far in the future would take a siege, something the State navy doesn't have the numbers for. Amarr does, though. But CONCORD won't allow that kind of escalation.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#44 - 2014-09-02 22:42:10 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.


You had the chance to do that in 110. You didn't take it. You don't get a second chance, because they'll have prepared defenses precisely to prevent that sort of thing happening a second time.

Getting that far in the future would take a siege, something the State navy doesn't have the numbers for. Amarr does, though. But CONCORD won't allow that kind of escalation.

Shhhh, don't tell her that. You'll dash her little dreams of conquest and glory... Besides, I actually think it would be fun.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#45 - 2014-09-03 07:24:11 UTC
I think the capsuleers are the only ones left fighting in any war. Makes me wonder if it's all a scam to keep us buying goods off war profiteers and endlessly throw crew into this meat grinder as a well hidden population control measure.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Urthel Drengist
Doomheim
#46 - 2014-09-03 09:52:58 UTC
Rouen-Michel en Lefevre wrote:
Setting aside the likelihood of stability in the cluster, I am curious as to how many capsuleers desire stability between the empires. It is not uncommon to see people communicate the pointlessness of the proxy conflict or the cultural and historical antagonisms. But acknowledging their pointlessness is not necessarily the same thing as desiring for those conflicts and antagonisms to cease. Nor does belief that the conflicts are important necessarily mean someone believes they should continue.

Setting aside those in nullsec that claim to not care about the empires, do you desire empire stability and relative peace?


That would be ideal....However, stability should occur in a way that serves all four empires equally...

Urthel Drengist

C.E.O and Founder of Drengist Intergalactic Liberal Enterprises Ltd. [L.I.D.E.L ] 
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-09-03 16:00:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
We are the "peaceful" solution to the viability of the cluster.

I will not again write essays as to why.

Veikitaamo's is a good enough explanation in this thread already -- as well as Blake's.

When the difference now between becoming a base-liner warpilot is generally choice as opposed to draft/levies/enforced participation by the Empire in space as opposed to groundside... well then.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Makru Sharvas
#48 - 2014-09-07 17:52:48 UTC
Their can be no lasting capitulation between the most righteous Amarr empire and those heathenish infidels who have yet to be reclaimed, any concession of peace is simply a positioning tactic to further the reclaiming and re-establish inevitable imperial supremacy.
Lucien Rouen
#49 - 2014-09-08 14:18:33 UTC
Everyone knows that literal peace will not occur anytime soon. They also know that things will continue to be relatively 'stable' for the time being, as well. This entire discussion seems rather pointless when faced with those two notions. The only peace you can attain must be found within yourself, not from outside sources.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-09-09 00:19:12 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:

War is Peace.

And Stupidity is Enlightment.
Right. Thanks. Now go home.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-09-09 00:30:06 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.


You had the chance to do that in 110. You didn't take it. You don't get a second chance, because they'll have prepared defenses precisely to prevent that sort of thing happening a second time.

Getting that far in the future would take a siege, something the State navy doesn't have the numbers for. Amarr does, though. But CONCORD won't allow that kind of escalation.

We didn't take this chance, because we did believe gallenteans... again, when they have signed the treaty, that our Home Planet will become State territory. But gallenteans broke their word and treaty, as they always do.

Any peace treaty with gallenteans is just giving them an opening and opportunity to strike into less defended spot. Any peace solution is advantage to Gallenteans and disadvantage to Caldari.

We must not fall for this again, and don't take their "hand of peace", while they are hiding their second hand with a knife behind their backs.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#52 - 2014-09-09 02:52:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Aedre Lafisques wrote:
The quick answer is definitely yes.

-I'll add that I agree with some of the other posters that we're assuming you mean peace, rather than stability. The empire war is far too stable.

What we need now, is a full scale attack on Federation with support of Navy.
I'd say, just Navy attack on the Federation without support of capsuleers. From all directions and at once, go all YC110 on them, decapitate this snake, destroy both Senate, Presidential offices and headquarters of their navies. Then cut ALL the communication lines with gallentean worlds.
This will end the war for good.


You had the chance to do that in 110. You didn't take it. You don't get a second chance, because they'll have prepared defenses precisely to prevent that sort of thing happening a second time.

Getting that far in the future would take a siege, something the State navy doesn't have the numbers for. Amarr does, though. But CONCORD won't allow that kind of escalation.

We didn't take this chance, because we did believe gallenteans... again, when they have signed the treaty, that our Home Planet will become State territory. But gallenteans broke their word and treaty, as they always do.

Any peace treaty with gallenteans is just giving them an opening and opportunity to strike into less defended spot. Any peace solution is advantage to Gallenteans and disadvantage to Caldari.

We must not fall for this again, and don't take their "hand of peace", while they are hiding their second hand with a knife behind their backs.

... Don't raise to the bait, Claudia, its not worth it....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Lucien Rouen
#53 - 2014-09-10 05:04:50 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

... Don't raise to the bait, Claudia, its not worth it....


A quick perusal of the IGS makes it seem as if you are incapable of not taking bait. Or giving it. Or you are just bored an awful lot.
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