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Has EVE's overall player base IQ gone down?

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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-08-30 07:43:47 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets?
Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in.



CCP reduced the grind?

Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary?
Solecist Project
#22 - 2014-08-30 07:46:53 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets?
Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in.



CCP reduced the grind?

Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary?

More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward.

At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-30 08:03:49 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Crumplecorn wrote:
Sisohiv wrote:
Consider BPO distribution. How different would the EVE manufacturing scene be if you had been required to figure out who owns BPO's and if you were required to get standings to obtain those BPO's as they define trade secrets?
Well there would be a lot more of grinding NPC content before you got to play the actual game, which is thankfully the opposite of the direction CCP is going in.



CCP reduced the grind?

Instead of grinding rep for a variety of entities, you can now focus grind LP and ISK in quest hubs but you will grind the same amount. And what ever happened to EVE is hard, HTFU? EVE is m'eh, wait for primary?

More easy-way-in things to do which give an enough satisfying reward.

At the bottom of it, I guess we could say that the amount of 'arcade' type of things to do increased.


Perhaps but they threw a lot of EVE away. Crius does give them a chance to bring that back. Using the Material Acquisition example again, they are a refinery and mining corporation. The new refinery base allows for bonuses to apply to those very niche corporations in EVE.

Much like these Manufacturing teams open up a possibility for Null players. Players in deep null could in theory host an agent from an Empire corporation at their outpost. If they had the standings to facilitate the deal. A 48 hr Lai Dai, level 5 Sec agent in Deklein. What some call Grind can unlock welcome content for others.
Sykaotic
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-08-30 08:30:03 UTC
A monkey could play this game 5 years ago.... nothing has changed in game, but the content of the forums have been replaced with the content of a handful of low IQ forum trolls.

"I hear the directors of Genetic Control have been buying all the
properties that have recently been sold, taking risks oh so bold.
It's said now that people will be shorter in height,
they can fit twice as many in the same building site."

Reminds me of the forum trolls aka self important pseudo directors of Genetic Control.... they are the ones who should Go Go go.
Solecist Project
#25 - 2014-08-30 08:45:39 UTC
Regading to the poster above I can only say ...

If a monkey starts looking into a book ...
... it doesn't mean a genius will come out of it.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Anndy
The Evocati
#26 - 2014-08-30 09:05:12 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?




more people running around ganking = more posts about it
Solecist Project
#27 - 2014-08-30 09:12:46 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?
Equating 'general people' with 'specific persons' makes no sense at all.


So in context of your post ... regarding yourself ... you *might* be right.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2014-08-30 10:01:05 UTC
It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum.

It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. Dunning–Kruger effect is strong among most people here.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2014-08-30 10:12:45 UTC
Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentarySad
Solecist Project
#30 - 2014-08-30 10:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Nick Starkey wrote:
It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum.

It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. Dunning–Kruger effect is strong among most people here.
This ...


baltec1 wrote:
Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentarySad
... and this, so much.


Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add,
which have become a sad reality.


Ignorance is Strength.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#31 - 2014-08-30 10:37:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Solecist Project wrote:
Nick Starkey wrote:
It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum.

It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. Dunning–Kruger effect is strong among most people here.
This ...


baltec1 wrote:
Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentarySad
... and this, so much.


Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add,
which have become a sad reality.


Ignorance is Strength.


Who said those so called famous words?
What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss"
And just so you know, It comes from Thomas Gray's poem, Ode on a Distant Prospect of Eton College (1742)
Josef Djugashvilis
#32 - 2014-08-30 11:00:13 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Carlos Brutus wrote:
Though maybe you're right about the IQ thing in that the smart people are probably leaving Eve.

I'm still here. Tippia's still here. There's a lot of smart people who are still playing.


The ego and brown nosing are stronk in this one Smile

This is not a signature.
Solecist Project
#33 - 2014-08-30 11:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Miko Jin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Nick Starkey wrote:
It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum.

It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. Dunning–Kruger effect is strong among most people here.
This ...


baltec1 wrote:
Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentarySad
... and this, so much.


Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add,
which have become a sad reality.


Ignorance is Strength.


Who said those so called famous words?
What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss"Dunning-Krueger effect is a real thing.

Education.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
JOSAL EXAN
Obertura
#34 - 2014-08-30 11:11:20 UTC
LazyDeer wrote:
I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?


Yes it is. Since I'm here it has.
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#35 - 2014-08-30 11:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Solecist Project wrote:
Miko Jin wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:
Nick Starkey wrote:
It's as low as always, as evidenced by the typical posters in this forum.

It's just that the average percieved IQ is higher in Eve than in so many other games. Dunning–Kruger effect is strong among most people here.
This ...


baltec1 wrote:
Its not EVE, it humanity as a whole. idiocracy is now a documentarySad
... and this, so much.


Regarding to the upper post there are three famous words to add,
which have become a sad reality.


Ignorance is Strength.


Who said those so called famous words?
What you meant to put was "Ignorance is bliss"Dunning-Krueger effect is a real thing.

Education.


No question the Dunning-Krueger effect is a studied issue, But your famous words as you stated "Ignorance is Strength" comes more from the George Orwell Novel 1984 where it is quoted than from the Dunning-Krueger effect. Maybe you are having issue with your Illusory superiority complex.

"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength"

George Orwell
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#36 - 2014-08-30 11:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Abrazzar
I think it has more to do with the self-reinforcing dynamic of trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling *cough* Sorry. Anyway, it's just reached a level of instinctual automation that has little to do with intelligence.

A thread, a response, a counter, etc. It's all been done before, it will be done again and again and again, every iteration with less finesse and understanding to it, like CODE. imitating Goonswarm.

trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls

Someone should make a song out of it.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Solecist Project
#37 - 2014-08-30 11:24:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Miko Jin wrote:
I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT AND PROJECT MY OWN ISSUE ONTO YOU
I find it sad how you are completely unable to grasp/see/realise what I am talking about ...
... and thus will stop conversing with you ...
... as it is pointless to talk with people who suffer from above mentioned effect.


You do, though, provide a perfect example.

Thank you.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Miko Jin
HELVEGEN
#38 - 2014-08-30 11:34:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Miko Jin
Solecist Project wrote:
Miko Jin wrote:
I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT I DON'T GET IT
I really like how you are literally unable to understand what I am talking about ...
... and thus will stop conversing with you ...
... as it is pointless to talk with people who suffer from said effect.


I think my last post proves my point.
Please do not take this personally as it was just correcting an error that you misguidedly thought was correct but was written by a famous Author and not attributed to said Denning-Krueger effect.

Lowering yourself to personal attacks just shows your failings and maybe that would be an issue you would want to address?
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#39 - 2014-08-30 11:40:48 UTC
I always run background checks on the more... vocal... of the forum whiners. And what surprises me is that some of them have been playing for years. ]What really bakes my noodle is how can a player with an employment history indicating that they've been playing the game for years seriously whine about ganking and WarDecing?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Slick Entry
Doomheim
#40 - 2014-08-30 11:44:36 UTC
A forum poster's IQ is in inverse proportion to the number of times they post "in before lock", "grr Goons" and "posting in stealth {insert subject of choice here} thread".