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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#21 - 2014-08-29 02:02:06 UTC
oh my god, this thread, best thing on the forums since Somer got banned

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-08-29 02:55:03 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
oh my god, this thread, best thing on the forums since Somer got banned


This was way better than the Somer drama. Give it some credit Smile
Tengu Grib
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-08-29 03:34:56 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
Wait so not only can i be an agent of the glorious government of highsec, but i can be a cop too?
Oh I'm liking this idea more and more by the minute.

I would suspect New Order agents are cops.

1) According to google cops are police officers
2) Police Officers enforce the law of the land
3) The law of the land is what James315 says it is.

So new order agents are cops.

Can't argue with science.

Rabble Rabble Rabble

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-08-29 07:42:30 UTC
I'm going to go with D then, because C requires me to train into a blockade runner.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#25 - 2014-08-29 07:53:05 UTC
This is pure win.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#26 - 2014-08-29 07:57:36 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
This is pure win.

Imo they have every right to execute anyone who can't get multiple choice exams, you don't actually have to remember anything, all you have to do is recognise the correct answer when shown it.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#27 - 2014-08-29 11:04:03 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Question 2

You have a cargo run to complete. The total distance is somewhere around 20 jumps. You make sure that your hauling permit is in order before undocking, and that your total cargo value is something that will not economically cripple you if it is lost. However, nobody in your corp is willing to scout for you, and you dont dual box. (Because grrr goons, or something.)

You:

A) Use the autopilot feature to make the long trip. Its highsec, afterall, and that means you are safe. Make a sandwich.

B) Contact a New Order agent and rage at them, figuring you may as well get it over with now.

C) Load smaller amounts of cargo into a fast hauler, like a blockade runner, and navigate each jump.

D) Steal billions of ISK worth of materials from your corp, load into your Freighter, and quit. Cause **** those guys.

This is an excessively difficult test, I'm not sure if the answer to question 2 is C or D.

It's a trick question. It doesn't specify whether or not your corp has billions to steal or whether you have a freighter. Since fast haulers are much easier to acquire than billions of ISK or a freighter, I'd wager that the most likely correct answer is C.

However...if your corp does have billions of ISK and you do have access to a freighter.... Blink

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-08-29 16:18:55 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Leto Thule wrote:
Question 2

You have a cargo run to complete. The total distance is somewhere around 20 jumps. You make sure that your hauling permit is in order before undocking, and that your total cargo value is something that will not economically cripple you if it is lost. However, nobody in your corp is willing to scout for you, and you dont dual box. (Because grrr goons, or something.)

You:

A) Use the autopilot feature to make the long trip. Its highsec, afterall, and that means you are safe. Make a sandwich.

B) Contact a New Order agent and rage at them, figuring you may as well get it over with now.

C) Load smaller amounts of cargo into a fast hauler, like a blockade runner, and navigate each jump.

D) Steal billions of ISK worth of materials from your corp, load into your Freighter, and quit. Cause **** those guys.

This is an excessively difficult test, I'm not sure if the answer to question 2 is C or D.

It's a trick question. It doesn't specify whether or not your corp has billions to steal or whether you have a freighter. Since fast haulers are much easier to acquire than billions of ISK or a freighter, I'd wager that the most likely correct answer is C.

However...if your corp does have billions of ISK and you do have access to a freighter.... Blink

This is a good point. Both answers are unrealistic and are dependent on training non-combat skills. This test is terrible!

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#29 - 2014-08-29 16:22:55 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
This is a good point. Both answers are unrealistic and are dependent on training non-combat skills. This test is terrible!

Pfft. Learn2HaulerAlt noob.

Blink

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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#30 - 2014-08-29 16:38:51 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
In an effort to curb rampant stupidity, I am calling on the New Order to implement a licensing and servicing department, in the interest of the common good. I am sick of traffic jams at Jita, debris from anti-tanked fits, stupidly flown untanked, unscouted frighters clogging up the space lanes, and towing unauthorized equipment such as tractor depots. I mean seriously, when is the last time you saw someone stop on the highway, unhitch a giant magnet, and leave it in the road?!?!

DJ, please incorporate New Order traffic enforcement into New Eden. I dont feel safe on the spacelanes. A pilots license, issued by one of your agents, is the only way to ensure pilots know how to fly!

Question 1


You are flying through high security space. You are stopped by the local police (an Agent of the New Order), and there is a question regarding the validity of your current operational permit. Please remember this is a stressful time for both you and the officer. Both are concerned with your safety. The officer informs you that you will be required to authorize a payment of 10M isk to update your permit, as it is expired.

You:

A) Rage at the officer. Use obscenities, racial slurs, and threats.

B) Attempt to flee the system.

C) Attack the officer, whom MUST be horrible at PVP (not to mention living in his parents basement!).

D) Pay the fine.



Question 2

You have a cargo run to complete. The total distance is somewhere around 20 jumps. You make sure that your hauling permit is in order before undocking, and that your total cargo value is something that will not economically cripple you if it is lost. However, nobody in your corp is willing to scout for you, and you dont dual box. (Because grrr goons, or something.)

You:

A) Use the autopilot feature to make the long trip. Its highsec, afterall, and that means you are safe. Make a sandwich.

B) Contact a New Order agent and rage at them, figuring you may as well get it over with now.

C) Load smaller amounts of cargo into a fast hauler, like a blockade runner, and navigate each jump.

D) Steal billions of ISK worth of materials from your corp, load into your Freighter, and quit. Cause **** those guys.


Question 3

You are flying through a system with no stations, in the middle of your run between two trade hubs. Knowing this is dangerous space, you were smart enough to bring a scout, and fit your hauler for tank. The scout radios in that the next system is densely populated, with several known gankers in local. There is an NPC corp member in a rookie ship orbiting the outgate.

You:

A) Warp to a safe, leave fleet, and safelog, but not before adding the NPC rookie pilot to your watchlist.

B) Crash the gate, YOLO.

C) Contact a New Order agent to rage, assuming you may as well get it over with now.

D) Warp to a safe, leave fleet, and safelog, but not before posting to C&P about how other players are ruining your MMO.

// End of section 1. A 100% score in this section is required for course completion. Section two to follow. //



Question 1:

I would attack the officer and kill him, then proceed to finish putting up my Giant magnet.


Question 2:

Hire Black Frog to Transport my stuff.

Or

Move it myself in a Tanked Fortress Orca with Carrier level defense. Then laugh and troll Police when they attempt to Gank me and steal their frozen corpses for my collection when Concord finishes with them.


Question 3:

Crash the Gate, YOLO *****
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-08-29 16:50:59 UTC
I think someone needs to study some more...

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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#32 - 2014-08-29 16:53:09 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
Section two will deal with operation of extra-independent modules such as tractor units and also govern the discharge of weaponry in civilized (empire) space. Why do we need this?
Well, when is the last time you saw a Department of Natural Resources cop allow a fisherman to use an "Automatic fisher"?
And I dont know about you, but im not allowed to discharge a weapon within the city limits! As such, I give you section two.

For the following questions, assume that you are a mission runner. You are planning to make some ISK running complexes for the faction of your choice. Before undertaking the mission, you complete the following:


Question 4:

Before you undock, youll need a ship! You will be running a level 3 mission, so you jump into:

A) An assault frigate. Exceptional tank and good DPS will allow you to skillfully and efficiently eliminate the rats.

B) A battleship with a full compliment of drones. Setting your drones on "Aggressive" will allow you go to AFK during the mission.

C) A mining barge. Because you are a moron.

D) An Assault frigate, AND a logi or ECM ship, flown by a buddy, because you never know who may show up to your mission pocket.

Question 5:


Your next mission is a level 4. The agent advises you to bring a battleship based on the threat level and difficulty of the mission. You elect upon a Navy Raven to accomplish your mission, but not before checking your skills to see that you can fly one without substantial powergrid modifications, and also ensure that you are able to cover the loss if something goes wrong. For fittings, you choose:

A) In EvE, more expensive is always better. Purchase a PLEX with real money, and buy all officer torpedo launchers.

B) In EvE, it is easy to substitute proper skillpoints with faction gear. Who needs training? Purchase Blue-and-Green equipment for your tank.

C) Both A and B. Nothing will stop an officer fit Navy Raven with a deadspace and faction Tank. NOTHING.

D) I refuse to undock and fly a Navy Raven without proper training. I will tank for all possible encounters, including those involving other players.

Question 6:

Lucky you! While missioning, you have had a visit from a holy Inquisitor of HTFU. Much like the Spaniards of ancient Earth where he derives his namesake, his mission is to ensure no Heresy exists. He engages and destroys your tractor unit, flagging himself as suspect. Hey! He cant do that! You decide to turn your torpedoes towards him, and fire off a few shots. Surely torpedoes will kill a small ship such as his, right? What the hell is an "Ishkur" anyhow?

You:

A) Quickly realize that your torpedoes are not designed to hit fast orbiting, small ships. Your DPS is extremely minimal. How misleading! Radio your corp for help, and tell them to bring destroyers, not battleships.

B) You are not a member of any corp, and have no spacefriends to speak of. Die in a fire.

C) Rage at the inquisitor, informing him that you have the right to play as you wish, and that hisec is safe. Unbeknownst to you, you have added another tick to the kill-it-forward program.

D) Contact a New Order Agent to rage. Because all things blown up in Highsec are because of the New Order.

Question 7:

Upon returning from your mission, your ship is confiscated on the undock of your home station by a New Order agent. He informs you that due to your illegal rampant use of military grade ordinance in Empire space, he had no other choice. Please remember that this is a stressful time for both you and the officer, and both are concerned for your safety. He offers his regrets for the loss of your ship, but also offers to issue a weapons permit so that the misunderstanding can be prevented in the future.

You:

A) Report the issue to a GM. All losses in Highsec should be reimbursed, because you didnt consent to PVP. Where is the "flag" button, anyhow?

B) Realize that the appearance of "USS GANKNADO" on DSCAN should have predicated use of a warp-to-zero bookmark at your station. This would prevent your loss, but still leave you non-compliant for future incidents.

C) GF in local, and thank the Agent for his service. This is a stressful time for both you and the Agent, and both are concerned for your safety. You purchase a weapons permit for future use, and inquire how YOU can help keep Highsec safe in the future.

D) Inform the Agent that you have important Alts in Nullsec ( you dont ) and that you will get him back! ( You wont )

// End of section 2. A 100% score is required for completion of this section. Please proceed to section 3 //



Question 1 Section 2:

Look at the test and think to myself that the examiner is a moron, You use a battle-cruiser for L3's and fit for PvP.


Question 2 Section 2:

Again ... Think to myself that the examiner is a moron Ravens have been Inferior since Inferno. You use a Navy Scorpian / Rattlesnake and fit for PvP with 250k Buffer 1000 - 1300 DPS and an X-large Ancilliary Booster.


Question 3 Section 2:

A. If I am in my Rattlesnake, I Warp Scramble him, Web him and turn both Heavy neuts on his ass until he screams like a little ***** and pops from my drone damage.

B. If I'm in a Navy Scorp, I do the same, except I kill his drones with my drones and then send them to kill his frig while simultaneously shooting him with my target painter and torpedoes.... And listen to him scream like a little *****.

C. I shoot him and then sit there and laugh at his feeble attempt to brake my 2500 DPS Infinite Tank. Before Poping his ass by way of A or B and listening to him scream like a little *****.


Question 4 Section 2:

Laugh at him as the station guns kill him for shooting a non aggressed or wardec target, and listen to him scream like a little ***** as he dies. Then think to myself what a noob.



Did I pass?
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-08-29 20:27:26 UTC
Assault frigates are actually great ships for level 3's. They output plenty of dps, are super cheap, and are easy to run from fights in.

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Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-08-29 21:13:10 UTC
I'll have to read the whole thing after, pretty amusing so far.

You are missing an option though, for the hauling questions at least.
"Use a deep space transport and laugh at everything that tries shooting you"

Hey guys.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-08-29 23:02:45 UTC
Lilly Naari wrote:


Question 1 Section 2:

Look at the test and think to myself that the examiner is a moron, You use a battle-cruiser for L3's and fit for PvP.

Question 2 Section 2:

Again ... Think to myself that the examiner is a moron Ravens have been Inferior since Inferno. You use a Navy Scorpian / Rattlesnake and fit for PvP with 250k Buffer 1000 - 1300 DPS and an X-large Ancilliary Booster.

Question 3 Section 2:

A. If I am in my Rattlesnake, I Warp Scramble him, Web him and turn both Heavy neuts on his ass until he screams like a little ***** and pops from my drone damage.

B. If I'm in a Navy Scorp, I do the same, except I kill his drones with my drones and then send them to kill his frig while simultaneously shooting him with my target painter and torpedoes.... And listen to him scream like a little *****.

C. I shoot him and then sit there and laugh at his feeble attempt to brake my 2500 DPS Infinite Tank. Before Poping his ass by way of A or B and listening to him scream like a little *****.

Question 4 Section 2:

Laugh at him as the station guns kill him for shooting a non aggressed or wardec target, and listen to him scream like a little ***** as he dies. Then think to myself what a noob.


Did I pass?


Sigh. I knew we would get one of these.

No, you dont pass.

First off, an AF is an exceptional tool for running L3 missions, even up to DED 6/10's. They are fast, tanky, and do plenty of DPS.

I wondered if anyone would ask about the Raven. It was a reference to the "gentleman" who lost a few thousand dollars on a purple Raven a few months back.

If you were daft enough to engage an AF in your Battleship, you can rest assured you will lose it. Why? Because those guys dont work alone. He will get you to aggress, and have someone bring him something to obliterate you with. If you dont beleive me, I am sure the inquisition will happily oblige a learning lesson for you.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#36 - 2014-08-30 02:23:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Naari
Leto Thule wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:


Question 1 Section 2:

Look at the test and think to myself that the examiner is a moron, You use a battle-cruiser for L3's and fit for PvP.

Question 2 Section 2:

Again ... Think to myself that the examiner is a moron Ravens have been Inferior since Inferno. You use a Navy Scorpian / Rattlesnake and fit for PvP with 250k Buffer 1000 - 1300 DPS and an X-large Ancilliary Booster.

Question 3 Section 2:

A. If I am in my Rattlesnake, I Warp Scramble him, Web him and turn both Heavy neuts on his ass until he screams like a little ***** and pops from my drone damage.

B. If I'm in a Navy Scorp, I do the same, except I kill his drones with my drones and then send them to kill his frig while simultaneously shooting him with my target painter and torpedoes.... And listen to him scream like a little *****.

C. I shoot him and then sit there and laugh at his feeble attempt to brake my 2500 DPS Infinite Tank. Before Poping his ass by way of A or B and listening to him scream like a little *****.

Question 4 Section 2:

Laugh at him as the station guns kill him for shooting a non aggressed or wardec target, and listen to him scream like a little ***** as he dies. Then think to myself what a noob.


Did I pass?


Sigh. I knew we would get one of these.

No, you dont pass.

First off, an AF is an exceptional tool for running L3 missions, even up to DED 6/10's. They are fast, tanky, and do plenty of DPS.

I wondered if anyone would ask about the Raven. It was a reference to the "gentleman" who lost a few thousand dollars on a purple Raven a few months back.

If you were daft enough to engage an AF in your Battleship, you can rest assured you will lose it. Why? Because those guys dont work alone. He will get you to aggress, and have someone bring him something to obliterate you with. If you dont beleive me, I am sure the inquisition will happily oblige a learning lesson for you.



You would need 30 Assault frigs (or more) to kill my Rattlesnake, and even then you had better hope I don't kill all of you within 10 minuets (Because it will take you longer then that to kill me if you can even manage to break my tank) And if you do manage to kill me your assault frig deaths will total more in losses for you all then my Rattlesnake will for me.

So I win either way.

You wont be the first scrub to try and kill me running a mission in one, and you wont be the last. If a group of 10 T3's can't do it, I am positive you can't either. But hey It's EvE maybe you will get lucky.

Saying a person you do not know, and have never fought will lose something (When you state it as a Fact) is moronic at best, and makes you a Fool at worst. I'm a Beta player and I have seen scrubs like you Rise talk ****, get owned and leave game continuously. You are nothing but a Nat compared to me, and worse then **** on my boot.

But you will never hear me state that someone can not kill me. Because this is EvE and in eve everyone Dies eventually. Don't underestimate your enemies. And never overestimate yourself.

Also your all's Failure at the tournament where you ran like little bitches instead of fighting and dieing with honor, you get no respect from me.

Bunch of Scrubs.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-08-30 04:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
Lilly Naari wrote:


You would need 30 Assault frigs (or more) to kill my Rattlesnake, and even then you had better hope I don't kill all of you within 10 minuets (Because it will take you longer then that to kill me if you can even manage to break my tank) And if you do manage to kill me your assault frig deaths will total more in losses for you all then my Rattlesnake will for me.

So I win either way.

You wont be the first scrub to try and kill me running a mission in one, and you wont be the last. If a group of 10 T3's can't do it, I am positive you can't either. But hey It's EvE maybe you will get lucky.

Saying a person you do not know, and have never fought will lose something (When you state it as a Fact) is moronic at best, and makes you a Fool at worst. I'm a Beta player and I have seen scrubs like you Rise talk ****, get owned and leave game continuously. You are nothing but a Nat compared to me, and worse then **** on my boot.

But you will never hear me state that someone can not kill me. Because this is EvE and in eve everyone Dies eventually. Don't underestimate your enemies. And never overestimate yourself.

Also your all's Failure at the tournament where you ran like little bitches instead of fighting and dieing with honor, you get no respect from me.

Bunch of Scrubs.


+10 for not knowing something you have been playing since beta.

I appreciate the tears, I really do.

From my personal roaming experiance:

Take a look at This carrier kill Involving nothing but frigates. There were 29 on the killmail. Some were just randoms that decided to get in on the mail.

Maybe thats not good enough? What about This Golem kill involving only a few AF's and one oracle?

I guess your rattlesnake is just beast. I guess we will see. Nothing in this post was aimed at you personally, yet for some reason you take great offense in it.

As for the alliance tourney... um... ok? AT loss = alliance disband. Also confirming we are a bunch of scrubs/bads. Come at us, brah!

Edit: For clarification, I was not talking about engaging your BS with AF's to GANK it. Please read Feyd's blog if you would like to actually understand HOW your BS can be killed by two AFs.

And seriously, no offense to you ( I mean, I know im a "gnat" and all ), but if TEN T3 boats could not kill your BS, they were bads.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment

Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#38 - 2014-08-30 07:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Lilly Naari
Leto Thule wrote:
Lilly Naari wrote:


You would need 30 Assault frigs (or more) to kill my Rattlesnake, and even then you had better hope I don't kill all of you within 10 minuets (Because it will take you longer then that to kill me if you can even manage to break my tank) And if you do manage to kill me your assault frig deaths will total more in losses for you all then my Rattlesnake will for me.

So I win either way.

You wont be the first scrub to try and kill me running a mission in one, and you wont be the last. If a group of 10 T3's can't do it, I am positive you can't either. But hey It's EvE maybe you will get lucky.

Saying a person you do not know, and have never fought will lose something (When you state it as a Fact) is moronic at best, and makes you a Fool at worst. I'm a Beta player and I have seen scrubs like you Rise talk ****, get owned and leave game continuously. You are nothing but a Nat compared to me, and worse then **** on my boot.

But you will never hear me state that someone can not kill me. Because this is EvE and in eve everyone Dies eventually. Don't underestimate your enemies. And never overestimate yourself.

Also your all's Failure at the tournament where you ran like little bitches instead of fighting and dieing with honor, you get no respect from me.

Bunch of Scrubs.


+10 for not knowing something you have been playing since beta.

I appreciate the tears, I really do.

From my personal roaming experiance:

Take a look at This carrier kill Involving nothing but frigates. There were 29 on the killmail. Some were just randoms that decided to get in on the mail.

Maybe thats not good enough? What about This Golem kill involving only a few AF's and one oracle?

I guess your rattlesnake is just beast. I guess we will see. Nothing in this post was aimed at you personally, yet for some reason you take great offense in it.

As for the alliance tourney... um... ok? AT loss = alliance disband. Also confirming we are a bunch of scrubs/bads. Come at us, brah!

Edit: For clarification, I was not talking about engaging your BS with AF's to GANK it. Please read Feyd's blog if you would like to actually understand HOW your BS can be killed by two AFs.

And seriously, no offense to you ( I mean, I know im a "gnat" and all ), but if TEN T3 boats could not kill your BS, they were bads.


Lol those kills were staged. I have enough Goon contacts to know about that little fiasco. So don't pull that **** with me. And the only tears on this thread is the OP whining about pilots needing Licenses.

On the 10 T3's thing, Actually My rattler has about 85-90% resists across the board, The passive recharge alone negates 3 of the T3's DPS entirely at those rates (If they were for example 1000 DPS each boats), the other 7 couldn't get past the active and buffer.

After 30 Minuets they gave up and left (or for some other reason maybe a few had to go or maybe they couldnt get anyone else to come help them... Who knows?). I did not kill them because they had me jammed the entire time.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#39 - 2014-08-30 08:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
The inability to laugh at all this is what saddens me the most. This whole thread was full of cheerful blackhearts having a good chuckle right up til the point where someone just HAD to come in all **** and vinegar and start whipping their big ole e-peen around.

Train your sense of humor up to at least a 3 please, it's only a x1 skill so it shouldn't take long.

Here, this should help a little?
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/metagasm-redux.html

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.

Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
#40 - 2014-08-30 08:05:52 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
The inability to laugh at all this is what saddens me the most. This whole thread was full of cheerful blackhearts having a good chuckle right up til the point where someone just HAD to come in all **** and vinegar and start whipping their big ole e-peen around.

Train your sense of humor up to at least a 3 please, it's only a x1 skill so it shouldn't take long.

Here, this should help a little?
http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/07/metagasm-redux.html



I posted my first 2 posts here with a sense of humor.......
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