Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Even with FW, the WH junk, the Tags4Sec AND the ML bpc drops Low sec still really needs some love. Low sec is still just an out of the way place that many people don't really need to bother with. Or at least, there's very little incentive to bother with it.
But then again, this change isn't just for Low Sec. This change is to improve High Sec also. High sec has such little going on and even less reason to be somewhere in particular or even what race you are.

I do agree the sec status mechanics need reworking to not push people away from low sec engagement. There's already enough mechanics driving people away from PVP (aka consequences) adding a sec hit on top is just the icing on the cake.

And it's pretty obvious that you don't get out of high sec very often. If you believe Marmite or any entity could camp every path in low sec, you must not understand the game. (In fact one of Marmites biggest strengths is being in High sec and using neutral alt logistics, can't do that in low sec)

Freighters will still have entire empires to traverse, Jump Freighters will be limited by fuel costs in what they can transport. There's really no money to be made for T1 hauling stuff from Jita to Dodixie because the continuous nature of high sec normalizes the prices to such an extent that you have to move things in freighter loads to see any reasonable profit.

I'm not sure where you're going with the starter system stuff....

I am happy to see that this thread is still active. I haven't seen it in over a year!

Hope this gets implemented soon.

Remove bridging from lowsec?

bump-a-dump for a wonderful idea

It's not like you NEED to transit large amounts of material between one faction's space and another to build stuff. The majority of highsec prices would be virtually unaffected, and the rest would just rise a little. You have little faith in the strength of the EVE economy if you think something this simple would grind anything at all to a halt. The more noticeable impact would be that faction-specific items would become more expensive in other faction space, which would open up larger trade margins for daring traders willing to smuggle them through lowsec.

Except for the fact that minerals... the very basis for ALL construction in EvE would skyrocket within the sectors they were lacking in. EVERYTHING IN EVE hinges off of Jita's market prices. Cut Jita off from the rest of the galaxy and make it a faction only trade port by walling it behind low sec and you throw the entire market off balance. There are minerals that only exist in high quantity in certain sectors of the galaxy. Like Omber ONLY shows up in the Gallente sector, and Kernite ONLY shows up closer to JIta... and each of these have higher concentrations of specific minerals. Thus if you put low sec between each empire, then you effectively destroy an entire wing of marketeering in that, in the market that has Omber, the minerals in omber are more plentiful and therefore are cheaper. However, the other 3 markets where Omber does not exist have less of the minerals within Omber and thus have a smaller supply and thus have higher prices.

This idea will drive ALL mineral prices through the roof, make ALL items in the game that much more expensive, and will relegate freighters to the scrap heap, because no one will have any justification to use them... why and how you ask? Because in the time it takes to move a freighter from the farthest high sec point in the Amarr cluster to Jita, a single hauler can make three of that same trip. He whole real reason why Freighters have a use, is because they can haul a MASSIVE quantity of cargo over MASSIVE distances for no cost at all. They are built and designed for the freighter pilot to move entire space stations worth of cargo from Dodixie, Rens, Hek, and Amarr over to Jita and back again with total impunity. Take that away and you relegate 3 entire jobs in EvE to the scrap heap, destroy an entire class of ships, and grind the markets to a halt because no noone wants to try and trade in Jita.

Also, now instead of having 4 empires with players who choose to go between the empires and interact with each other and breed a spirit of community and cohesion, you now have 4 factions that are constantly in factional warfare with each other and then it turns into "who has the better faction" until it eventually boils down to nothing more than World of Warcraft in space. This is nothing more than a p***ing contest generator and is a bad idea all the way around. One of the primary reasons WHY the EvE community is such a strong gamer community, is because we do not have separations along lines of race like games like WoW, StarCraft, and Star Trek Online have... those games are failures or failures waiting to happen because they do not engender a community... they engender in-game racial bigotry and a general sense of racism.

EvE is different in that there are 4 separate empires yes, but each empire is still connected and relies on the other empires. WoW is old dead Hit-ler and his Nazii's against the world... EvE is symbiosis.

In a symbiotic relationship, each party benefits because they give to the other something which they were lacking. It's a partnership of sorts, where I have something you need, and you have something I need, and we share. That's symbiosis.

In Eve, there is no symbiotic relationship, because everything is available to everyone without anyone having to facilitate that.

In reply to what you said though.....

In a situation where you have a "sea" of low-sec between Gallente and Amarr, it would be safe to say that Iso would be more expensive in Amarr than Gallente (thanks to Omber). With that being said, you'd have intrepid traders making their way through to Amarr space, most likely, right? Since they'd get the best prices there. Now, here's where you get people coming together instead of being driven apart in a WoW/STO style thing. First you've got pirates, maybe some of them belong to the empires, but many of them are going to belong to low/null/wh corps/alliances. They'll be coming together to rob us all blind when we try to pass through the "sea" between empires. Then you've got players who form defense fleets. I mean, in the real world countries have come together to stop pirates both historically and presently (as pirates are something of a problem around Somalia), so why wouldn't players? Even players from different Empires. You don't think the space separating Amarr from Gallente would have fleets of people who patrol with the explicit purpose of hunting down pirates, and you don't think some of those fleets would be comprised of people from different empires? In the end, an idea like this isn't about making it Amarr vs Gallente vs Caldarii Vs Minmatar... it's about the civilized world against those who would tear it down!

As for the economy, yes, it would be HUGELY disrupted, and then it would normalize. You'd find certain minerals more expensive in this area, but cheaper in that area, they'd balance out. Gallente would have to pay more for "X" "Y" "Z" but could charge more for "A". As for the loss of professions, pirateering, privateering, would both become more viable, and your freigher haulers? They'd have to hire guards to take them through the lowsec areas, but they'd be able to afford such a thing because they'd be making more money.

Interesting read all of this.

I think the answer to this being implemented comes from the fact that this topic is more than 2 years old. If CCP thought this was a good idea it would have happened by now. At the very least they would have had a trial for this up on a test server and would be looking for input from the community but it does not exist. From this I think we can safely believe that apart from a discussion point here this is a dead issue.

These are all just personal observations based entirely on my own views of EVE.

For those who support this idea you have many theories on why this would not adversely affect the markets and game play of EVE. The problem is that they are just that, they are theories and the only way to find out would be to try it. So why not try it, the primary reason I can come up with is what happens to the game if it fails?
Could CCP roll us back to the old fast enough to prevent collapsing the entire EVE gaming community out of existence?
Would they be able to roll it back at all?
What would be the real world costs of trying this and does the potential for gains in game out weight those real world costs?
Being one that has to compare risks,and expenses and make decisions on implementing new ideas/processes in real life all I can say is this. If I were CCP no matter how good this sounded it would never see the light of day there is to much real world risk to even consider it.

Great idea! CCP pwease?

This would be a nice twist. It would also be cool to find wormholes that get you from one nation's space to another.