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The illness that needs a new name...

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Mudkest
Contagious Goat Labs
#21 - 2014-08-19 09:38:16 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:

My pet peeve is when it comes to diagnosing children. Children are naturally energetic, and if stifled will act out. You don't need to medicate a child for being a child.



But how else are thee going to match with the interior?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#22 - 2014-08-29 17:44:54 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-08-29 17:58:28 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:

a total amateur assessment; "multiple personality disorder" and "megalomania" fell out of favor as a clinical term years ago, so it'd make much more sense to assign each of those puppet things with "dissociative identity disorder" and "schizotypal personality disorder" instead. also, showing signs of depression doesn't really have anything to do with receiving a diagnosis of schizophrenia. people should put more effort in their charts about which children's show characters have which mental illnesses
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#24 - 2014-08-29 18:36:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
What I think, beside it being only a stupid joke, those muppets were very characteristic and in fact teaching young people tolerate their small differentiations, and differentiations in others. What is sad, its that adult people don't watch sesame street, they are used to listening to idiots who want to sell a bag of chemicals to everyone, childrens too.
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-08-29 18:46:05 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
What I think, beside it being only a stupid joke, those muppets were very characteristic and in fact teaching young people tolerate their small differentiations, and differentiations in others. What is sad, its that adult people don't watch sesame street, they are used to listening to idiots who want to sell a bag of chemicals to everyone, childrens too.

oh, this a good point. and yeah, it is kind of unfortunate that someone's reaction towards a cast of diverse characters with various unique quirks is "lol they're crazy and here is the specific medical category of crazy they are", especially since there are people that are literally paid to shoehorn people with unique individual problems into diagnostic categories less for the purpose of helping them and more to make money
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#26 - 2014-08-30 00:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
Ria Nieyli wrote:
NightCrawler 85 wrote:
EVE, or rather the people that play EVE, has hardened me. I know for sure that i dont care as much anymore, but im not sure if that makes me a bad person. People come, people go, people will abuse you, and people know no limits on how low they will sink to get to you. Because of that i find my self less willing to take the risk and provide what help i can, despite the fact that i know if it wasent for the people i have met in EVE i would be a much less happy person then i am, and it's unfair of me to not being willing to help others the way people helped me.


These behaviours are not confined to EvE, it happens everywhere, IRL, other games, business partners, wives, husbands, kids, you name it. It's human nature.


I have to respectfully disagree m8. In RL, you can't get away with what you can get away with in EVE. EVE lulz society is not even close to real world society. It's just a through a mirror darkly resemblance of real society. That's good, ne? Smile

In my own opinion (and opinions are like butts-- everybody's got one, and most of them stink)... Some of us have a predisposition toward depression. Which is scientifically known to be a matter of fine shadings of neurochemicals, the subtleties of the brain's preferred routing's of information withing itself, the enzymic transfer of microelectrical impulses from one synapse to another.... In other words, a somewhat lot of scientific quantitative data. But no unified theory proposed. In other words, no one has dared to say they understand.

Except for some intense individuals such as Nietszsche and Hermann Hesse. Another one is the people who wrote for http://www.amazon.com/Aquamarine-Blue-Personal-Stories-Students/dp/0804010544 , which is about college students with autism. Actually the list goes back forever, probably about back to the guy who held a burning stick up and painted the caves of Altamira.

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-08-30 02:18:09 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
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The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile

I didn't know there was now a term for that. I'm one of those. When I was tested (during treatment for depression in my teenage years) the tests measured "high levels of empathy." I know instinctively what others are feeling and sometimes what they're thinking. Being around a lot of people all day gets very exhausting, as I have to be "up" and often in "performance" mode.

I've learned to manage, including being a little less credulous regarding people's ideas or opinions.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-08-30 02:32:41 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile

hold on aren't those the people that are supposed to be great at hearing ghosts and getting possessed and whatnot
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-08-30 03:10:17 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile

hold on aren't those the people that are supposed to be great at hearing ghosts and getting possessed and whatnot

I don't know about that... I do know that I tend to pull far more information out of the things I see and hear than those around me usually do. Put that together with a near-photographic memory (fading with age) and you sometimes digest, analyze, and process a bit more than other people.

It also meant there is always endless opportunity to fret upon the realization that you had possibly insulted someone, because of that look on their face that even years later comes, unbidden, to mind.

But back to the topic: "ghosts...etc." I often find that my ability with memory lets me replay the scenario over and over, and that means I can examine all the possible explanations for the sense I got. Was that someone unseen walking through the room, or was that really the floor settling from the variations in temperature (the same ones causing the very slight air currents I'd detect and ponder while drifting off to sleep).

I have had some experiences with the supernatural that I'd rather not share. They're too personal, and include beliefs I'd rather not debate here.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-08-30 13:16:06 UTC
Ila Dace wrote:

I don't know about that... I do know that I tend to pull far more information out of the things I see and hear than those around me usually do. Put that together with a near-photographic memory (fading with age) and you sometimes digest, analyze, and process a bit more than other people.

It also meant there is always endless opportunity to fret upon the realization that you had possibly insulted someone, because of that look on their face that even years later comes, unbidden, to mind.

But back to the topic: "ghosts...etc." I often find that my ability with memory lets me replay the scenario over and over, and that means I can examine all the possible explanations for the sense I got. Was that someone unseen walking through the room, or was that really the floor settling from the variations in temperature (the same ones causing the very slight air currents I'd detect and ponder while drifting off to sleep).

I have had some experiences with the supernatural that I'd rather not share. They're too personal, and include beliefs I'd rather not debate here.

oh, i see. it was just a confusion in terms, since i was going off the first things i got when i googled "sensitive" and was pretty surprised that i'd run into a person implying a link between ghosts and brain problems on the space game forums. i'm not really well-versed enough in either brain or ghost lore to assert that there is definitely no link, but i feel pretty confident in saying that it generally isn't the sort of thing that is accepted as fact

anyway, people with lots of automatic affective empathy are a pretty interesting bunch. (tbh, as someone with an interest in becoming a therapist or teacher i've always been a little envious of people who are really good at picking up people's emotions, but i guess you guys have all sorts of stress that comes from that :/) if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you usually tend to get information on people's feelings from; body language, vocal tone, word choice, etc
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#31 - 2014-08-30 13:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Khergit Deserters
By the way, I just made that "Sensitive" term up. It's not a term in use, that I know of. It might be in some old SF book I read or original Star Trek episode I saw or something. Smile

[Post edited. The original text was poorly worded, could have been interpreted that I was trolling].
Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-08-30 13:37:49 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
By the way, I just made up that thing about being a "Sensitive." It's not a term in use, that I know of. It might be in some old SF book I read or original Star Trek episode I saw or something. Smile

i'm so glad that i don't actually have to get into an argument about whether or not ghosts cause depression with you
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#33 - 2014-08-30 14:16:05 UTC
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(...)

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile


You totally lost me. Why do you think that depression and being overly empathic are oppossite? What?
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#34 - 2014-08-30 16:15:08 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(...)

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile


You totally lost me. Why do you think that depression and being overly empathic are oppossite? What?


"The other side" is used to describe the feature accompanying, not opposite. Like in "The other side of the same cube".
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#35 - 2014-08-30 20:01:30 UTC
Bagrat Skalski wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(...)

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile


You totally lost me. Why do you think that depression and being overly empathic are oppossite? What?


"The other side" is used to describe the feature accompanying, not opposite. Like in "The other side of the same cube".


Oh, then it makes more sense...
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-08-30 20:16:03 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Ila Dace wrote:

I don't know about that... I do know that I tend to pull far more information out of the things I see and hear than those around me usually do. Put that together with a near-photographic memory (fading with age) and you sometimes digest, analyze, and process a bit more than other people.

It also meant there is always endless opportunity to fret upon the realization that you had possibly insulted someone, because of that look on their face that even years later comes, unbidden, to mind.

But back to the topic: "ghosts...etc." I often find that my ability with memory lets me replay the scenario over and over, and that means I can examine all the possible explanations for the sense I got. Was that someone unseen walking through the room, or was that really the floor settling from the variations in temperature (the same ones causing the very slight air currents I'd detect and ponder while drifting off to sleep).

I have had some experiences with the supernatural that I'd rather not share. They're too personal, and include beliefs I'd rather not debate here.

oh, i see. it was just a confusion in terms, since i was going off the first things i got when i googled "sensitive" and was pretty surprised that i'd run into a person implying a link between ghosts and brain problems on the space game forums. i'm not really well-versed enough in either brain or ghost lore to assert that there is definitely no link, but i feel pretty confident in saying that it generally isn't the sort of thing that is accepted as fact

anyway, people with lots of automatic affective empathy are a pretty interesting bunch. (tbh, as someone with an interest in becoming a therapist or teacher i've always been a little envious of people who are really good at picking up people's emotions, but i guess you guys have all sorts of stress that comes from that :/) if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you usually tend to get information on people's feelings from; body language, vocal tone, word choice, etc

I tend to catch and process micro-expressions, body language, tone of voice, wording, breath sounds, posture, blinking, conversational timing, ticks, gestures... but all in gestalt. If I try to do it consciously, I fail.

The things I most tend to review later are facial expressions and tone of voice.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/03/28/5-gifts-of-being-highly-sensitive/

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-08-30 20:18:51 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
By the way, I just made up that thing about being a "Sensitive." It's not a term in use, that I know of. It might be in some old SF book I read or original Star Trek episode I saw or something. Smile

i'm so glad that i don't actually have to get into an argument about whether or not ghosts cause depression with you

I got into an argument with my therapist over the fact that my physical illness was causing my depression, not the other way around. (Bad mononucleosis put me in bed for 3 months, followed by years of chronic fatigue syndrome, which didn't have name, then. All starting at age 15.)

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2014-08-30 22:33:10 UTC
Ila Dace wrote:

I tend to catch and process micro-expressions, body language, tone of voice, wording, breath sounds, posture, blinking, conversational timing, ticks, gestures... but all in gestalt. If I try to do it consciously, I fail.

The things I most tend to review later are facial expressions and tone of voice.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2010/03/28/5-gifts-of-being-highly-sensitive/

i'm guessing it's generally more of a thing for you when communicating irl then, right? i know a person who comes across as kind of blunt and oblivious to emotional cues when talking face-to-face, but catches on to tone and subtext really easily over text because it's easier for her to just analyze the word choice. your cues seem more physically based, i guess

Ila Dace wrote:

I got into an argument with my therapist over the fact that my physical illness was causing my depression, not the other way around. (Bad mononucleosis put me in bed for 3 months, followed by years of chronic fatigue syndrome, which didn't have name, then. All starting at age 15.)

... gosh. that seems like a clear cut case of "the simplest answer is usually the right one", but some people seem dead-set on believing in less likely things. maybe they're the people that take everything freud said about psychosomatic symptoms super seriously without taking account that his procedure was not in the least scientific? i mean, freud was a brilliant man and i do put a fair amount of stock into his work, but he did some things pretty incorrectly. anyway, i hope you won that one; arguing with psychs is usually a pretty dismal exercise
Solecist Project
#39 - 2014-08-31 14:02:04 UTC
Ila Dace wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
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The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile

I didn't know there was now a term for that. I'm one of those. When I was tested (during treatment for depression in my teenage years) the tests measured "high levels of empathy." I know instinctively what others are feeling and sometimes what they're thinking. Being around a lot of people all day gets very exhausting, as I have to be "up" and often in "performance" mode.
What? There's a term for that?
You too ???? D.;

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I've learned to manage, including being a little less credulous regarding people's ideas or opinions.

That's interesting...

I'm still trying to learn how not to be an ******* ......................................

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia

Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#40 - 2014-09-01 00:44:36 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Khergit Deserters wrote:
(...)

The other side of depression is being a Sensitive. If one is a Sensitive, that's their tough luck. And also their really great luck... Smile


You totally lost me. Why do you think that depression and being overly empathic are oppossite? What?

Sorry mate, bad wording obviously. I'd think that empathy, an artistic or poetic temperament, or a philosophical/seeking mentality-- all of those tend to be closely linked to what we in modern terms call clinical depression. In ancient Egypt, Sumeria or India, or modern Tibet, the priests might acknowledge that kid and come take him/her into the priesthood.

Same with Native American tradition, which has managed to somehow preserve itself intact and more than healthy, into our time. It's a link to the way original human societies would have thought. In the Lakota language, a person who is empathetic, or somehow deeper or more sensitive, is probably more on the wakan ('Spirit') side. That kid might choose to devote himself/herself to learning as much as possible about the wakan side, and incidentally passing the insights on to the community. That would be what we call being a shaman. It's a universal tradition of all cultures, but the traditions and ways of doing things are different, depending on the local culture.

Contrast that with Western reductionist philosophy, which has its roots in Renee Descartes. Not a bad guy, but egad, that was about 300 years ago, and he was bringing things forward from 400 years ago. (Before there was a steam engine, no less). the approach of Western science (including medical/psychological science) is that everything can be reduced into discrete components. "After a careful 5 minute evaluation, and based on your responses to my rote questions-- I hereby diagnose you as clinical depressive. Nice to meet you, good-bye, please give this piece of paper to the receptionist/billing clerk, who will phone in your prescription or something. It was very nice to meet you [on the next person waiting in a room, and what might his/her problem be, while I'm walking down the hall?]."

Maybe the best thing is realize one has what's called depression, recognize it, and think about it in the terms that our ancestors would have. You may have a harder row to hoe than most, but you may also have more insights to share than most. Somehow, that's the path you chose. Smile





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