EVE General Discussion

That'd make a great avatar.

WTB proper pose-able avatars and twirl-able mustachios.

More players = good?

Eve population dropping?

Really?

High sec is PACKED compared to how it used to be, and with all kinds of awful, selfish, silent, anti-social creatures.

If anything has changed around here, its the level of rudeness in Highsec

I love this game because anyone at any time can interact with me. If I get the urge to mine, a rare thing but it does occasionally happen, my experience of mining is enriched by the possibility tha someone could try to gank me. In the old days I used to be delighted when a can flipper would come along, providing the possibility of more interesting interactions than veldspar can provide. If I'm hauling goods, then the possibility of being ganked and losing my cargo makes the boring A to B a million times more interesting. It gives me the opportunity to feel a sense of accomplishment, that my care and attention to detail paid off in allowing me to reach my destination safely. If I'm missioning, I love it when ninja salvagers show up.

I don't want to live in a universe where all the corners have been sandpapered round and everything's made of foam and padding. The thing about eve is, either we all take part in the risk and reward game-play it's built upon, or none of us do. The second you give a special group the ability to gain whatever rewards they like at zero risk then eve has sold its soul to the devil. If you want zero risk, there many games that provide that experience. Eve is one of the few that caters to those who enjoy adversity, and the possibility of conflict at all times.

Here's a quote from a dev of a different MMO.



Even if I'm in a retriever, I am not helpless. Others might think a retriever isn't a PVP ship so there's no chance, and give up. That attitude is self defeatist. Some may cry helplessly that a mining barge is no match for a PVP ship. But I'm not trying to PVP in my barge, as fun as bait procurers are, usually the conflict is resolved in a greater game of cat and mouse with those who might try to blow up my humble barge in the first place. Eve is a game where risk avoidance will make you sad, angry, upset and bitter. Risk management is the way to go. Calculated risks. What's so bad about finding fun in adversity?

I think the issue here is the divide between those who are helpless, and those who help themselves. And no, it can't cater to both.

It's up to the players. The only reason it's "one sided ganks" is because the war targets allow it to be that way. And it doesn't have to be that way. I've had corps I'd decced team up with eachother and form joint intel-channels to fight me. It was wonderful fun and I decided not to ransom them into oblivion because of it.

What's your excuse?

People group them together because they're all activities allowed by the rules set by CCP. They're all equally ok activities. None of them circumvent highsec mechanics. AWOXing is an equall threat in all areas of space and is working as intended, as in everything works mechanically as it should and is designed to. Wardecs exist pretty much exclusively for empire space, so it's a part of the intended highsec experience. Just because some people dissapprove of some of them doesn't make them any less intended and normal parts of highsec corp life.



I somewhat agree here in the sense, that highsec only preference combined with wanting to be a part of a large social group means NPC corps are extremely attractive. I don't think the solution to that should be a corporation based one though as it wasn't even in your own example. Having people in NPC corps isn't the problem. Difficulty of forming and maintaining those social connections without being in a corp is. I also think trying to shove all social interaction to corps will just make the corporation system even more of a nightmare then it already is.

What the game needs is to get away from the corporation based division of social interaction. If a player wants to experience a certain activity with a social group, they should be just able to easily join an existing community or fleet to temporarily perform that activity without any connection to any corporation. This way people who can't handle hostile interaction with others can still enjoy their NPC corp protections, while socializing and interacting with other players in mostly co-operative endeavours. It's those social connections which are the important part. Such a system would also help players in player corps, where the corp can't always provide support for every member in all their chosen activities or to people who want to dip their toes in a new activity.

No, I'm just realistic when considering how people would react to the change. It's great to think that people would run freighter runs will full guard (much like we used to in null and it was awesome), but it simply wouldn't happen. People are too effective at destroying them and the people being destroyed would want to avoid the loss, not to mention that the whole lot for a 10m isk payout is laughable.

In Eve as it is currently, sitting in the corner trying to do your own thing puts you more at risk than those who have gone to the effort of learning the game mechanics; because you don't understand threats you are unable to defend against them all. This is risk-reward.

What you seem to want is blanket invulnerability that lets them opt out of risk-reward altogether. You want them to be safe without having earned it? How does that fit in with the eve universe without being game breaking?

Highlighted the problem words.

I survived an attempted gank of my tanked industrial ship in 2008. I had an officer mod in it, but it was one of the cheap ones and I guess the ganker was in a hurry lol. We had a funny conversation in local about it where he realized the thing he was going for wasn't that expensive.

I haven't had anything like that happen since then, so if i were to rely on anecdotal evidence like you seem to be doing, I'd be able to state the the past was in fact more dangerous. But the truth is, there is no empirical evidence.

Still i think your perception is wrong like it is with many in real life. I recently had a conversation with a crime victim (i was doing a follow up report) in which he said "crime is worse than ever". As the guy who helps compile crime stats for my area, i know that is only not true, but the opposite of the truth (thought I didn't say it to him lol).

But for the victim, the combination of being victimized and the way we over-saturate ourselves with news and media in ways we didn't even just a few short years ago, it SEEMS worse than it is.

I think it's more that certain places have become more gank-prone. Popular choke points that almost everyone who's not bothering to look at what's going on will go through. Gankers have noticed this and changed how they operate accordingly. It's not their fault all the salmon keep swimming upstream right into their eager clutches. In short they've adapted to where their prey will most likely be and have set up in those places. The fact that the only thing the prey seems to be doing in response to this is scream their bloody heads off on the forums does kind of say something...

Edit: I seem to have gotten my threads crossed. Why are we talking about ganking in the wardec thread again? This doesn't even make sense.

Because it's bad for the game.