Player Features and Ideas Discussion

To start out some background.
Recently a high sec corp I have a character in was war decced, no problem I thought we just play the game and move on, or better yet just play on one of my many other characters for the week. But then I started to dig into the situation and that led to some interesting and to me disturbing information. The corp that WD us had 106 active WD, all of the corps under WD were located in one small area of space. Ah I thought how novel the lazy mans way to pad a KB, WD a massive number of corps in a small area then sit on gates and rack up kills. This got me thinking and looking even deeper into this and instead of simply playing another character I spent the week researching high sec war dec corps and that led to some even more astounding facts. Initially I thought over 100 active WD was crazy but then I started to find corps that had hundreds with the top being almost 600 active WD.

A little about me and what has gone on to this point to put some of this into perspective.
I have no problem with the WD mechanic, in fact I think it adds a degree of unpredictability to the game that helps to keep it interesting. Even though I am not a PvP player I have always fully supported the WD mechanic, that is until this situation and now I find myself questioning, not the mechanic itself but how players are applying it to the game.
To answer the question yes I filed a petition on this and the short answer from CCP was working as intended get used to it and move on.

Thank you for your patience and now we get to the part I offer up for thoughts, ideas and discussion.
Do you think this use of the WD mechanic is good for the game as a whole and not just for the WD corps?
Do you think the game would be better off if there were reasonable limits placed on the number of active WD a corp / alliance can have?
If you think limits are a good idea what are your thoughts on how many?
Does a situation like this help to attract and hold the new players, or chase them away from the game?
If it chases them away how and why is that a good thing?
Maybe a sliding scale for fees would be a good way to limit the number of WD. The first corp you WD cost you 50 mil, the second maybe 75mil etc so the economics of having multiple WD active would be more of a limiting factor than it currently is?

Edited for spelling errors

WarDecs cost 50 mil ISK + (number of people in a corp over 50 x 1 mil ISK)

To have 100 active WarDecs you will have to shell out a minimum of 2.5 BILLION ISK to wage war. To WarDec 600 corps would cost a minimum of 30 BILLION ISK.

And the costs double for each week a WarDec is active. Or if the corp has 100+ members in it.


The only loophole to this is joining someone else's war as an ally.

I fail to see any problem with all this. If they want to be at war with pretty much everyone in an area, start talking to the others he/she WarDeced and organize a defense. Or... here's a novel idea... shoot the person(s).

I remember my first WarDec. I died miserably a few times and then found my stride. Twas exciting. Especially when all of us newbies decided that we didn't like being camped in and that we would fight even if we died.

I'm not sure making it skill based is the right way to go but I resist anything that promotes alts however I like your general idea as hard caps would also make war Decing larger corps a more appealing target rather then new corps who are just starting

had never come across that but with that then i can certainly see a use for the skills

The problem with this is that the corps that run crazy numbers of wars are not interested in actually fighting, they just want to pad their kill boards and earn isk from looting kills. When you try to fight back against guys like this, they just play gate games and station games to frustrate you, and to get laughs from it.

I'm all for fighting back against an attacking corp, but when it comes to gate-camping gankers, it's more frustrating than fun. Perhaps if there was actually an objective in a HS war... maybe some kind of deployable structure that you would have to anchor to declare war, something to give the attacked corp a target, rather than just ship-to-ship. Just a wild thought...

Not sure how this is a buff to Nul. Nul sec corps do not need the war dec mechanic to fight each other, and they already have structures to grind against to capture SOV. I was just thinking along the lines of giving the attacking corp something they have to defend, to make wars more about defending something, rather than pay fees just for Concord to not bother them.

It just goes back to what the previous posters have said: There is no incentive for corps to fight back during an unprovoked war. If they don't have a reason to fight back, an industrial corp will just avoid the conflict altogether. Fun fights are at least some incentive to fight back, and these war-dec corps do all they can to avoid fair fights. I can't begrudge them creating content and generating isk for their members, but for the other side the war is just an annoyance.

an incentive to fight back can be not to be forced to dock up for a week. if only the war could be prematurely ended.



sandbox. hurrah.

but the idea doesnt have to be a structure bash. it can be any territorial mechanic, like FW plexes and the ilk.

Any territorial mechanic that's required to flip a switch to instigate a war dec succumbs to Malcanis's law, and war decs do not need to be changed to suit veteran players. Furthermore, corporations that are organized enough to combat a war dec using these tools are already organized enough to avoid war decs or render them moot. This makes the mechanic pointless, as it doesn't solve anything: war decs remain pointless except for the purposes of not-griefing and killboard padding.

Why not just drop and re-form the corp? Then go on to brag about your 30-1 economic victory.