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A Declaration of Futility for the Minmatar Republic : An Open Letter
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Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#21 - 2014-08-28 11:53:10 UTC
Hyrill Akse wrote:
I came home to the Republic. When the transport I was in finally crossed the borders into Republic space I felt a huge load fall from my shoulders. I cried, I came home.

I know we, our people, we're not united. I got made fun of, told I wasn't Matari, I don't have the Voluval, I wasn't born in the Republic. Vitoc dependent refugee.

We fight amongst ourselves, we pick at each other's scabs instead of focusing on what is important. Working together to get all those who aren't home yet back home.


Any who make statements that "Youre not real Matari, you have no voluval" who then claim "Free our enslaved kin!" are guilty of the worst hypocrisy. Never forget that.

Welcome home, cousin.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-08-28 12:08:43 UTC
Joe Themachine wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
At first glance, I thought this thread was a Declaration of Fertility.

It was almost interesting.


Why do people expend so much effort talking about how uninteresting things are?


I've always thought it was a capsuleer's attempt at giving themselves an ego boost because there are no "ego" implants available in the market. We need to ask the Jovians to invent one for us so that we can reduce the amount of self-indulging 3-year-olds at the Summit!

Mr. Themachine, let me introduce you to the most spectacular fauna of the local communication network:

Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.

Ms. Oniseki, well... I really recommend you to get in touch with her speech and report writer, because otherwise you won't get any coherent and sensible words.

And to outrun those, who would like to introduce me in a similar way. Well, I am the person, who will tell you that the Federation must be destroyed.

Oh, and... Yes. I just said it again.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#23 - 2014-08-28 12:27:04 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Some Matari don't want to be united in a Republic.
Some of us enjoy our autonomy and our own way of life.


From what I remember, wasn't this the reason the republic goverment was placed in a ceremonial rule a while back? Replaced by a tribal chief council, that includes the Thukker tribe amongst it? In order to preserve the Minmatar way of life, for all tribes?


Yes, a move I acknowledged as encouraging at the time. Chiefs should rightly have the say over their Tribes, providing the Chief puts their tribe first.

There are many Caravan Masters, myself included, who don't trust Aeboul. This was the man who sold us out to Shakor, years before the reform of the Republic government. A man who, as CEO of Trust Partners, has a personal vested interest in getting in cozy with Republican bureaucrats.

Can small caravans, like the Katanga, put their trust in their Chief and in the Republic?
Of course not. We'll follow our own path, trade what we want with who we want, as we always have.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
#24 - 2014-08-28 18:19:17 UTC
Karynn Denton wrote:
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Karynn Denton wrote:
Some Matari don't want to be united in a Republic.
Some of us enjoy our autonomy and our own way of life.


From what I remember, wasn't this the reason the republic goverment was placed in a ceremonial rule a while back? Replaced by a tribal chief council, that includes the Thukker tribe amongst it? In order to preserve the Minmatar way of life, for all tribes?


Yes, a move I acknowledged as encouraging at the time. Chiefs should rightly have the say over their Tribes, providing the Chief puts their tribe first.

There are many Caravan Masters, myself included, who don't trust Aeboul. This was the man who sold us out to Shakor, years before the reform of the Republic government. A man who, as CEO of Trust Partners, has a personal vested interest in getting in cozy with Republican bureaucrats.

Can small caravans, like the Katanga, put their trust in their Chief and in the Republic?
Of course not. We'll follow our own path, trade what we want with who we want, as we always have.


I can understand your position blood sister. I have just as much and as little trust in in the bueracracy, but that is precisely why we, the capsuleers must organize the defense of the republic independently. To accomplish this, we need more of our people to return and to actively participate in the rebuilding of our nation. Perhaps even an Alliance dedicated to the protection of our people!
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#25 - 2014-08-28 20:12:07 UTC
Joe Themachine wrote:

I can understand your position blood sister. I have just as much and as little trust in in the bueracracy, but that is precisely why we, the capsuleers must organize the defense of the republic independently. To accomplish this, we need more of our people to return and to actively participate in the rebuilding of our nation. Perhaps even an Alliance dedicated to the protection of our people!


I appreciate your understanding, cousin.

But you're advocating the Republic as the rallying point for our people. You must realise and accept that the Republic is in its twilight; there are too many of us that don't want anything to do with that bureaucratic malaise. Ask any Thukker. Ask any of the millions of Matari who fare decently under the Federation. Ask the people of Skarkon.

In my opinion, the Republic has served its time and is now obsolete. Let it wither, and let each Tribe carve out its own fortune.
My agenda isn't as selfish as Shaman Siikanen claims; I simply want each and every Tribe to enjoy the true sense of freedom that the Thukker have enjoyed for generations.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-08-28 20:38:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Soren Tyrhanos
Diana Kim wrote:


Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.



That's rather out of context Ms Kim.

The form of "saving" she spoke of prevents the extended torture and desecration of both and soul in the blasphemous rituals of a heretic known for his brutality.....and insanity. Something I certainly would never wish on any of God's Children. In either case the risk was taken and many slaves have been spared this fate, many more still have been either able to return to the Empire or the Republic.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#27 - 2014-08-28 22:53:26 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
At first glance, I thought this thread was a Declaration of Fertility.

It was almost interesting.


Why do people expend so much effort talking about how uninteresting things are?


Because quantum.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#28 - 2014-08-28 22:56:20 UTC  |  Edited by: N'maro Makari
I'm enjoying how at what is probably the pinnacle thus-far of the Republic's fortunes, with more Tribal autonomy, greater interest than ever in our traditions and lifestyle, and an influx of Matari returning from the Federation, the naysayers can still bring the rain so passionately. Commitment to the cause, I salute you.

Also, anyone asserting the Republic as "excessively bureaucratic" needs an injection of perspective. Or just to attempt a Sukuuvestaa ground vehicle licence form. The Megacorps are nothing if not meticulous.

**Vherokior **
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-08-28 23:29:20 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
The Megacorps are nothing if not meticulous.


We like to know where we stand. And we like order.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-08-29 01:10:43 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
The Megacorps are nothing if not meticulous.


We like to know where we stand. And we like order.


Your megacorps have a love affair with spreadsheets, charts, graphs and neatly ordered tables and proper filing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an executive who is obsessed with seeking out and crossing all the 't's in documents.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2014-08-29 02:08:36 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
The Megacorps are nothing if not meticulous.


We like to know where we stand. And we like order.


Your megacorps have a love affair with spreadsheets, charts, graphs and neatly ordered tables and proper filing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an executive who is obsessed with seeking out and crossing all the 't's in documents.


Well, we tried the whole 'starving to death and freezing' thing and didn't like it. This is better.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-08-29 12:33:43 UTC
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.



That's rather out of context Ms Kim.

The form of "saving" she spoke of prevents the extended torture and desecration of both and soul in the blasphemous rituals of a heretic known for his brutality.....and insanity. Something I certainly would never wish on any of God's Children. In either case the risk was taken and many slaves have been spared this fate, many more still have been either able to return to the Empire or the Republic.

Please accept my apologies for bringing it here, Mr. Tyrhanos.

You see, it was their choice, to live in servitude to this madman instead of death. Despite any pro-minmatars short sighted claims and calls for "freedom", everyone has and makes choices for themselves daily, even slaves. And, despite it can be disgusting for us, we should accept their decisions. I may despise them, but I don't blame them. I blame peoples like Ms. Siikanen, who enforce her decision and her world view on others. She is not better than Mr. Nauplius in this case.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#33 - 2014-08-29 15:56:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyllsa Siikanen
Diana Kim wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.



That's rather out of context Ms Kim.

The form of "saving" she spoke of prevents the extended torture and desecration of both and soul in the blasphemous rituals of a heretic known for his brutality.....and insanity. Something I certainly would never wish on any of God's Children. In either case the risk was taken and many slaves have been spared this fate, many more still have been either able to return to the Empire or the Republic.

Please accept my apologies for bringing it here, Mr. Tyrhanos.

You see, it was their choice, to live in servitude to this madman instead of death. Despite any pro-minmatars short sighted claims and calls for "freedom", everyone has and makes choices for themselves daily, even slaves. And, despite it can be disgusting for us, we should accept their decisions. I may despise them, but I don't blame them. I blame peoples like Ms. Siikanen, who enforce her decision and her world view on others. She is not better than Mr. Nauplius in this case.


This obsession with me is unhealthy, Diana. No means no.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-08-29 16:03:01 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Your megacorps have a love affair with spreadsheets, charts, graphs and neatly ordered tables and proper filing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an executive who is obsessed with seeking out and crossing all the 't's in documents.


There's an old joke about Form 1A - the Form Requisition Form. You fill it out to requisition the form you need to fill out.

If they've run out of Form 1A, you need to fill in Form 1B - the Form Requisition Form Requisition Form.

How do you requisition Form 1B? You fill in Form 1A.

Bureacrat humour.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2014-08-29 16:37:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.



That's rather out of context Ms Kim.

The form of "saving" she spoke of prevents the extended torture and desecration of both and soul in the blasphemous rituals of a heretic known for his brutality.....and insanity. Something I certainly would never wish on any of God's Children. In either case the risk was taken and many slaves have been spared this fate, many more still have been either able to return to the Empire or the Republic.

Please accept my apologies for bringing it here, Mr. Tyrhanos.

You see, it was their choice, to live in servitude to this madman instead of death. Despite any pro-minmatars short sighted claims and calls for "freedom", everyone has and makes choices for themselves daily, even slaves. And, despite it can be disgusting for us, we should accept their decisions. I may despise them, but I don't blame them. I blame peoples like Ms. Siikanen, who enforce her decision and her world view on others. She is not better than Mr. Nauplius in this case.


Slaves do not get to choose. They get ripped off the hands of their people, have collars and chains put onto them and made to do as their masters desire. There is no decision on their part, their masters make all the decisions for them. No matter what they think or want, they have no say.

Slavery is nothing like working in a megacorp. You might want to research slavery a bit more before throwing accusations around.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#36 - 2014-08-29 17:25:58 UTC
I dearly hope no one actually compared employment in a mega to slavery, Egivand. I can't see that claim having been made by even Kimmeh here.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Darsena Izuma
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-08-29 19:23:55 UTC
it's not so much that megacorps were compared to slavery, as slaves were equated to corporate employees with regards to their level of "choice."

Fedo are not what they seem to be.  Welcome to Night Vale.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#38 - 2014-08-29 20:15:17 UTC
Fair enough, I didn't catch that it'd appear. It's still an utterly silly comparison.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Arista Shahni
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-08-29 20:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Arista Shahni
.. I almost had something to say.

...and then realized, as a free Kingdom Capsuleer unbound to Kingdom or Empire, exposed to all four factions with an open mind able to choose which I'd wish to declare allegiance to, I still have no freedom to say anything in the matter based on racism -- which at this angle, isn't my or my racial home's racism.

I was born in Ardene in the Federation.

Think on that a moment.

And people wonder why capsuleers of Ammarian racial groups are generally silent.

If you think I deserve it becuse it fair and turnabout is fair play, fine. Biut it simply shows a pathetic few learn from histor and would rather have blood.

I don't care.

"I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also.  And as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all."
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-08-30 04:46:47 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Soren Tyrhanos wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:


Ms. Siikanen was the person, who claimed that shooting at minmatars is... saving them.



That's rather out of context Ms Kim.

The form of "saving" she spoke of prevents the extended torture and desecration of both and soul in the blasphemous rituals of a heretic known for his brutality.....and insanity. Something I certainly would never wish on any of God's Children. In either case the risk was taken and many slaves have been spared this fate, many more still have been either able to return to the Empire or the Republic.

Please accept my apologies for bringing it here, Mr. Tyrhanos.

You see, it was their choice, to live in servitude to this madman instead of death. Despite any pro-minmatars short sighted claims and calls for "freedom", everyone has and makes choices for themselves daily, even slaves. And, despite it can be disgusting for us, we should accept their decisions. I may despise them, but I don't blame them. I blame peoples like Ms. Siikanen, who enforce her decision and her world view on others. She is not better than Mr. Nauplius in this case.


This obsession with me is unhealthy, Diana. No means no.

What obsession are you talking about, Ms. Siikanen, I have just answered the question.
And I don't think I have put a simple question to be answered with your 'no'. Please clarify, this 'no' without explanations has no value and sense.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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